Part 9

Zerovirus
RAIL OF MOBIUS TIME ONCEAGAIN.
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last time... se yue fucking incapacitated us with small bombs and knocked us out.
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
dang won't be able to follow
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??: Hurry and wake up.

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Wu Shi: ...???

??: WAKE UP!

Someone seemed to be shaking me.

??: Wake up, Shi-chan!

IT'S BEST GIRL
jjjqance
Aw yeah
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: Oh, thank goodness, you're awake.

Ji Hengsheng: I was really worried about what I was to do if you just never woke up again.

...Those were definitely trails of tears from her eyes, yeah.

Looks like I made her worry about me again.

Wu Shi: ...The princess...

wu shi come on it's not a good look for the first words out of your mouth to be a different girl
jjjqance
Kiss her!!!!
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The princess had... knocked me out, with some kind of... gas?

I had to stop her.

Wu Shi: ...The princess... must be stopped...

Ji Hengsheng: You know, it's very rude of you to wake up and immediately start talking about another woman right in front of me~.

Ji Hengsheng: I've been worrying about you ever since the bonfire last night!

jjjqance
You continue to call the jokes ahead of time
Zerovirus
i sure fucking do
avunvain
maybe you're the time-traveling creator of this game
jjjqance
Deja vu = time travel
avunvain
closing a loop by playing the game you made
observing the game's jokes so that you can write them later
Zerovirus
i am offended that you think i'd write a setting as un-knox as this
souls
for crying out loud
time travel by adding more hours to the clock, that'll work
avunvain
no see it's an allegory
for something in your life you'll have to confront
jjjqance
Just wait, this is all just hints Se Yue is an impostor who doesn't know how the time machine works
Zerovirus
anyways.

Wu Shi: Sorry...

I was saying that a lot these days, wasn't I.

Wu Shi: I made you worry about me again.

Ji Hengsheng: You're such a troublesome guy.

Ji Hengsheng: Soooo, what'd you get up to with the princess?

Wu Shi: Uh... why... how did I...?

Maybe it was an aftereffect of the knockout gas. I felt like my brain wasn't operating properly at all. Everything felt slow and I couldn't find the right words.

Ji Hengsheng: Oh, Qian Yuan told us that the princess had locked you in her bedroom. That's how we learned about what'd happened to you.

Wu Shi: Oh. Qian Yuan. Ah.

Ji Hengsheng explains that it was a team effort; Yu Guang did some stupid shit to attract Se Yue's attention, and Ji Hengsheng busted Wu Shi out of the bedroom.
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Ji Hengsheng: Yeah, Yu Guang and Qian Yuan- and some other maids that Qian Yuan thought were trustworthy- got together and dressed up in the costume of- that freaky guy who attacked us- to get Se Yue's attention and distract her.

Wu Shi: I see. They disguised themselves as S.

so you're telling me
that there's not just one S suit
there's enough for 'yu guang and qian yuan and some other maids' on this helltrain
avunvain
"where did you get the suit"
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WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THESE OUTFITS
avunvain
ask the question, wu shi
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IS THERE A FUCKING HABERDASHERY ON THIS TRAIN
avunvain
why do they have plague doctor masks on the train
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A WHOLE CLOTHES FACTORY TAKING UP A SINGLE CAR??
i mean, fuck, they have indoors swimming on this train
why can't they have a fucking triangle waistshirt factory on this disaster tour
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jjjqance
Telling you it's the train mascot
avunvain
shirtwaist, i think
...why do i know that
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Ji Hengsheng: So, what were you up to in her room, anyways?

Ji Hengsheng: I found you tied up real good. You were all trussed up six ways to sunday.

Ji Hengsheng: Don't tell me... you were doing some kind of adult play-

Wu Shi: ABSOLUTELY NOT.

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Ji Hengsheng: ...Are you up to something dangerous again, Shi-chan?

Ji Hengsheng: If you don't tell me what you're up to, I'll...

Ji Hengsheng: I'll follow you around until you tell me, and no amount of money will change my mind!

Ah. The Hengsheng-style Unbreakable Vow returns oncemore.

Wu Shi: Well, it was really just a difference of opinion.

Wu Shi: Sort of.

Ji Hengsheng: You are going to have to be way more specific than that, mister.

nightpool
this is a lot.
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Should I really tell her?

Telling her would just get her involved again, and maybe she'd just end up the way she did in the timeline of the thirteenth train car.

In that case, perhaps it's best for me to not tell her anything, and instead simply disappear quietly and inexplicably...

Ji Hengsheng: Shi-chan, a year ago I watched you almost die in front of me.

Ji Hengsheng: It felt terrible- but more than feeling terrible, it also filled me with an overwhelming regret.

Ji Hengsheng: Regret that I wasn't able to do anything, regret that all I could do was cry ineffectually.

Ji Hengsheng: I already feel this bad about seeing you in danger- I don't know what'd happen if I saw you actually die. I don't know what would become of me if that happened.

FORESHADOW FORESHADOW FORESHADOW

Ji Hengsheng: Shi-chan, most of the time, I know exactly what you're thinking, and I'm sure you can do the same with my thoughts as well.

Ji Hengsheng: How would you feel if our positions were reversed, and you were in the position of helplessly watching me perish? How would that make you feel?

...Well, Hengsheng didn't actually know that I'd already actually gone through that.

I did watch her die, in the 13th train car's world.

When she collapsed from Lost Time Syndrome into my lap, I felt like my entire world went dark,

As though nothing that happened from then on would mean anything to me at all anymore.

A void in my heart larger than anything imaginable, where even the slightest breath would lead to unbelievable pain.

Ji Hengsheng: That's how I'd feel, y'know~.

Ji Hengsheng: When you smile, I smile too.

Ji Hengsheng: When you weep, I weep too.

Ji Hengsheng: All you need to do to know how I'd feel is to ask yourself how you'd feel if it were me.

Ji Hengsheng: After all, we've done nothing but worry about each other for as long as we've known each other~.

...If it were her faced with a situation like this...

Would I want her to go to her death without letting me know what was happening?

Of course not. Without closure, I would surely see the rest of my life spent on pursuing the truth of that incident.

I'd clutch the tragedy to my chest, dive deep into an inescapable labyrinth, and endlessly seek for a way out in futility.

FORESHADOWING FORESHADOWING FORESHADOWING

I decided to tell her everything.

Wu Shi: Hengsheng, this may sound unbelievable, but...

Wu Shi: I-

My words were interrupted by the sound of hell's announcement.

jjjqance
God damn
Trolled by the bell
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Se Yue: The tour of time is about to reach the terminal station. All personnel, fasten seat belts for your own safety.

Se Yue: I repeat.

Se Yue: The tour of time is about to reach the terminal station. All personnel, fasten seat belts for your own safety.

Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
"what do you mean you didn't like our Halloween tour?"
jjjqance
Time to find out what ji does when he dies in front of her
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The fear that came over me, in that moment, felt like it could crush me into tiny pieces.

Wu Shi: -HENGSHENG! WHERE ARE WE?!

Ji Hengsheng: Where are we? Uh, it- isn't it self evident??

Ji Hengsheng: It's your cot in the men's dormitory car, of course.

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Wu Shi: ...What day is it?

Ji Hengsheng: Uh. December 3rd?

How could things be this way?

I fainted on December 2nd, and when Ji Hengsheng woke me up, I hadn't expected so much time to have passed.

And now- just like this- things were already over for me?

I don't even know why you wasted time asking, dude, of course it's the end of the line.

Wu Shi: HENGSHENG! RUN!

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Ji Hengsheng: Ow! Ow ow ow you're pulling me too hard! Why are you acting like this, Shi-chan?!

I paid no attention to her cries.

Wu Shi: Get out of here, NOW! The accident's about to happen!

I rushed for the touchpad that would open the door to the next train car-

But a tremor jolted my hand, and I missed the touchpad by just a moment.

Wu Shi: FUUUUCK!!

I pulled Ji Hengsheng to the floor and hugged her tightly.

Wu Shi: It's alright, I'll protect you!

It was fine- I could do the same thing as last time- take advantage of the moment when the water fills the car and equalizes the pressure

And break out of the car.

Find an air bubble.

Get Hengsheng to safety.

Wu Shi: I'm absolutely not going to let you die-!

But,

Much to my surprise,

This time, things went much differently than how they'd gone before this.

(The siren sounds and the intense panic music in the background fade out.)

Wu Shi: ...Bwuh?

Where was the flooding? There was supposed to be a train-shattering flood.
jjjqance
looks like se yue already solved everything
go team
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Se Yue: Just now, while pulling into the terminal station, the train encountered an unexpected obstruction on the rail, causing temporary tremors. The situation has now been resolved.

Se Yue: The Tour of Time will soon arrive at the terminal station. All personnel should continue to wear seat belts for their own safety.

Wu Shi: ...Whaaaaaa??

avunvain
just had to distract ji i guess
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and no calamity
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I reached towards the touchpad that would open the door- but I hesitated.

What if the announcement was- wrong, or an accident, or a trick? What if I opened the door, and saw a wall of water in front of me?

It froze me in my tracks with fear.

Ji Hengsheng: Uh... What, was, that.

Ji Hengsheng: Shi-chan, are you... okay?

oh boy she probably thinks we're having ptsd flashbacks from a year ago or something.

Wu Shi: I'm... fine.

Wu Shi: I'm..... fine?

Wu Shi: This is... good? I think?

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Ji Hengsheng: ...Weren't you saying that we had to get out of here, just a moment ago? Come on, let's go find some seats and buckle in like the intercom's telling us to do.

Wu Shi: Wait, no-

But she'd already pressed the button to open the door.

AND THEN A WALL OF WATER CAME IN AND THEY ALL DROWNED.
nah of course not that would be so dumb. everything's fine! no water! they're just between train cars now. yippee!
avunvain
it's Se Yue with a "congrats on not dying, thank me later" cake
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Ji Hengsheng: Gosh, the wind's cold out here right now.

The wind was cold.

Ji Hengsheng: Even though we missed a day's worth of hanging out, this trip was still a blast!

Wu Shi: Mmm-hmm.

I still couldn't believe it. Everything was normal. No impacts, no flooding, no tremors, nothing. Part of me was still waiting for the other shoe to drop, but...

Ji Hengsheng: Shi-chan, to make up for the third day of this trip, you're going to have to come over to my house and help me make food after we get back home!

I looked at the clock.

Three minutes to noon.

I was destined to die at 12:00 on December 3rd. Had I really survived, finally?

talk about counting your chickens before they hatch, wu shi
jjjqance
so what do you all think's gonna happen
avunvain
S from outta nowhere with the steel chair
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And then,

the unexpected happened, just as expected.

The train shook again- a small tremor, an ordinary amount of shaking for a train, nothing dangerous at all-

-but it shook something loose from Hengsheng's lap.

jjjqance
oh god
this is like the equivalent of the watch breaking in steins;gate isn't it
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: Ah!

I recognized it immediately, of course. It was Ji Hengsheng's precious ring.

She hadn't had the chance to give it to me at the bonfire last night, so of course it was still on her.

As I watched, the ring landed on the floor, and bounced away towards the edge of the connecting path between the two train cars.

Ji Hengsheng: No! Wait!

Because it was a precious thing to her, Hengsheng rushed after it.

Because she was in such a panic, she didn't notice her own unsteady footing.

Everything after that happened in a flash.

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NOOOO
avunvain
CORPSE
nightpool
NO! NOOO!
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Oh yeah
another train fall death
avunvain
a menacingly long "Zerovirus is typing"
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Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
dude I wanna sleep come on
avunvain
"she'll understand," you said! "nothing will go wrong just because i wasn't at the bonfire," you said!!
nightpool
the ring is cheap! you can get another one!
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The train shook again, at that very moment- another perfectly ordinary tremor that just happened to occur at the worst possible time.

Pursuing the ring, Ji Hengsheng lost her footing. Her body twisted-

-And rolled over the guardrails.

> Wu Shi: HENGSHENG!

I reflexively dove for her and grabbed onto her.

But, I'd lost my own balance too, doing so, and there was no way for me to oppose the forces pulling both of us off the train, now.

Before we fell together, a thought flashed through my mind.

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𝑫𝑰𝑫 𝑨𝑳𝑳 𝑻𝑯𝑰𝑺 𝑯𝑨𝑷𝑷𝑬𝑵 𝑩𝑬𝑪𝑨𝑼𝑺𝑬 𝑰 𝑾𝑨𝑺𝑵'𝑻 𝑻𝑯𝑬𝑹𝑬 𝑻𝑶 𝑨𝑪𝑪𝑬𝑷𝑻 𝑻𝑯𝑬 𝑹𝑰𝑵𝑮 𝑭𝑹𝑶𝑴 𝑯𝑬𝑹 𝑨𝑻 𝑻𝑯𝑬 𝑩𝑶𝑵𝑭𝑰𝑹𝑬?

Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
so is his life at this point tbf lol
nightpool
also true
Zerovirus
congrats, you've guessed the next line of the game as well now, farn
we can start tallying up a joseph joestar scoring chart now
Deleted User
wow this is the stuff of nightmares
avunvain
ji are you endlessly repeating the same day so as to ensure the perfect romantic proposal
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We fell from the train together, smashing against the concrete ground like pudding.

I viscerally felt the crushing of my bones.

two quick flashes of red. damn.

...

...

...

...

Se Yue: ...So it turned out this way again, after all...

I heard Se Yue's voice again, at the edges of my dissipating consciousness.

I used the last bit of energy I had to open my eyes, and saw her and Qian Yuan standing before me.

jjjqance
why are they in the shadow realm
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Wu Shi: ...Please, help her- Hengsheng, she needs help,

I choked out what I could with what was left of my broken body.

Se Yue: ......

Qian Yuan: ...The medical team is on their way right now. Wu Shi, you have to hold on...

avunvain
imminent death void
Zerovirus
facetious: the shadow realm is located under the train. what better material to pave a soul-eating train with? actual: probably to represent how wu shi's barely able to see shit because broken everything
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Se Yue: ...It looks like the fourteenth train car has designated miss Ji Hengsheng as the fuel for the second loop.

Oh.

Wu Shi: Se Yue, please,

I reached out with my only working hand and grabbed the edge of her dress, leaving unslightly bloodstains all over her clothes.

Wu Shi: Please...

Wu Shi: Don't let her die, don't let her become fuel...

I couldn't speak coherently anymore. Blood was bubbling into my lungs and throat, now, and it made all my attempts at speaking turn into nothing more than gurgles and croaks.

Damn, this hurt.

Everything hurt. My hands, my toes, my chest, my legs, my skull...

And I knew that, if I was hurting, then surely Ji Hengsheng was also hurting just as much, if not more.

...Man, I was an idiot, wasn't I?

'Even if one more person has to die this loop, ending things here with just two deaths is still the best outcome we can hope for' my ass.

Saying these noble things so magnanimously.

I'm a fucking moron.

I suppose this is what I get for having thoughts that stupid.

If the loop were to end here, not only me, but Hengsheng too, would die.

The loop couldn't be allowed to end.

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Se Yue: .....

She turned away from me.

Se Yue: Qian Yuan, give me that thing you have in your lap.

Qian Yuan: Mistress, you don't have to burden yourself, I can do it myself-

Se Yue: That was an order. Give it to me, now.

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Qian Yuan reached into her lap and pulled something metallic out.

It was a forbidden item that I'd never seen in the flesh before.

Se Yue was holding, there, with her delicate thin wrists, a handgun.

UH.
Deleted User
UHHHHHHH?!?!?!?!
jjjqance
uh
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Se Yue: Have you resolved yourself for this, Qian Yuan?

Qian Yuan: Of course, mistress. I am ready as ever.

She curtsied to Se Yue.

Se Yue: ...As I once said to you, I will bear the burden of all this. You are no exception.

Qian Yuan: It is my honor to be able to repay the debt I owe to you as your personal maidservant, madam.

OH.
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In that moment, I saw Qian Yuan smile, resplendently, a true smile unlike the polite smiles she wore as a mask. It was the first time I'd ever seen her smile like that.

And then a gunshot rang out.

With that gunshot, my awareness and consciousness- it all came to an end.

screen flashes red then white, gunshot sound effect.

Just before everything ended, I saw Se Yue biting her bottom lip, as though she was struggling with some great pain of her own.

fadetoblack, loop visual effect.
so,
avunvain
jesus.
Zerovirus
i'm pretty sure
what just happened was
we successfully convinced se yue to not use ji hengsheng as fuel.
go... us...
yay........
Deleted User
wow
wowowowowoowowow
jjjqance
i sitll don't really get how fuel works
didn't she say the train had decided to use her as fuel already?
Zerovirus
the train produces a new dead person every loop, but you don't necessarily have to use that dead person as fuel, if you just, y'know, kill a different person and use them instead.
jjjqance
so she's gonna use Wu Shi
Zerovirus
no, we've already been used, we're the first-loop fuel
jjjqance
wait is she using Qian Yuan??
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Zerovirus
that is the implication yes
i guarantee the story will treat this as some kind of horrible reveal later on even though it's like, completely self-evidently obvious
if she shoots qian yuan and uses her as fuel, then she doesn't have to use ji hengsheng, and ji hengsheng will revive next loop
and so we're back to the start of the loop, noon of the 2nd day, in the VIP lounge, room 3. well, i guess we're going to see a dead qian yuan pop up as SOON as we spawn in.
because, y'know,
we start the loops off while talking to qian yuan.
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Se Yue: Have you calmed down?

Wu Shi: You didn't- you didn't-

Se Yue: That's right.

Se Yue: This is the 12th hour of the 2nd day of the tour.

Se Yue: Your suppositions are correct. Time has indeed been looped-

Wu Shi: Did you use Hengsheng as fuel?!

Se Yue: ...No.

Se Yue: I-

WU SHI IMMEDIATELY RUNS OFF TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN HOLY SHIT.
Deleted User
man wu shi sucks
tsk
he seems too in touch with his emotions
and can't make any decisions without something going wrong
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I had no intention of listening to the rest of her words.

I ran right through all the train cars, yelling Ji Hengsheng's name as I went.

Wu Shi: HENGSHENG! HENGSHENG!

A few students gave me weird looks.

Wu Shi: HENGSHENG! WHERE ARE YOU?! HENGSHENG-

hengsheng: BOO
Ji Hengsheng is perfectly fine, as was completely obvious!
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We hug her, which flusters her. At this point we've seen Wu Shi deliriously happy that Ji Hengsheng is alive and well a few times and so I'm not going to recap it again! It's the exact same stuff. Best girl remains best, even if she doesn't have any funny quips for us this time.
...And after all that we've... gone back to Se Yue's room. i'm sorry what why are we here
Zerovirus
seriously i don't- i feel like i missed a scene
why did you decide to go back to the room with small bombs
jjjqance
whoopsie daisy
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Se Yue had deployed her whiteboard again, and was once again in professor mode.

Se Yue: I think that after the last loop, the possibility that our universe is a model-B universe has been counted out.

Wu Shi: You mean, the, parallel universe theory or whatever?

Se Yue: Yes. It seems there is only one universe, and one timeline.

Se Yue: That is the less-preferable outcome, unfortunately. This is quite bothersome.

Wu Shi: Uh, why.

Se Yue: If we were working with parallel worlds, then there would be countless ways I could try, to work around the paradoxes and save you.

i guess
we're just
working with her again
Deleted User
?????
Zerovirus
somehow
did we... give up on the whole,
telling ji hengsheng about the loop thing,
are we not doing that anymore
well, at least se yue probably isn't going to try to lock us up again, since wu shi is now firmly convinced that his terrible death last loop was karmic retribution for him standing up ji hengsheng
which, to be fair, yeah, he deserved that one
not poor ji hengsheng though
that's just cosmic unfairness
jjjqance
how the f is there only one timeline
we've seen multiple timelines
Zerovirus
the one-timeline theory is that... like remember all that nonsense about this undersea loop being a miniature universe
the one-timeline theory is that time travel works by physically reconfiguring the inside of this universe when time is looped
so there's only one forward-moving timeline, and you're just copypasting a savestate from earlier in, overwriting the current state
jjjqance
ah
Zerovirus
(though the implications of that are... well, if you take it seriously, then, there should be massive time dilation- like, since it's exactly 24 hours per loop, and the time machine works on the principle of looping a tiny universe being far cheaper to do than looping the whole actual universe, then in the outside world we've disappeared for- 48 + 3 = over 50 days now.)
(like, in the single-timeline theory, since there's no alternate timelines, the outside world is still chugging along as usual, since the time machine can't affect the world outside the closed universe or something, except no that doesn't fucking make sense, if that were true then se yue couldn't CALL THE FAMILY for MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS)
(I DON'T GET THE PHYSICS OF THIS GAME)
avunvain
something, something, shirou emiya principle of not telling people jack shit because Self Sacrifice
jjjqance
wait hold on
if this requires the closed universe to work
how did it interact with the fire or whatever in the earlier incident
nightpool
GREAT question
Zerovirus
i have no fucking idea.
i think we've all agreed at this point that the technobabble of this game is fucking F-tier.
Deleted User
smh thinking that you need realistic physics in a time loop story was wrong from the start
nightpool
maybe the hotel counts as a "closed" universe
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WE ARE ALL JUST FUEL FOR THE TIME GOD SE YUE
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Wu Shi: Paradoxes?

Se Yue: Specifically, the Paradox of Cause and Effect.

Wu Shi: Please speak english to me.

Se Yue: ...I am speaking english.

Wu Shi: No, like, the kind of english I can comprehend.

Se Yue: Okay, well... Have you heard of the Grandfather Paradox?

Wu Shi: The Garfunkel Paradox?

Inexplicably, this provoked another giggling fit in Se Yue for a whole half-minute. I had no idea what the deal with her sense of humor was.

note, in the original chinese, the joke here is actually a homophonism between 'grandfather paradox' and 'master of house / wife cheating on each other', which i definitely couldn't figure out a good way to translate.
also oh god we're about to see the abuse of the grandfather paradox now aaaaaa
se yue's technobabble lectures are the worst. every time. this is why you're not best girl.
Deleted User
I don't know
they might be the best
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Se Yue: The Grandfather Paradox is simple. Imagine you were a time traveler and you went back in time to before your grandparents had given birth to your parents.

Se Yue: Would it be possible for you to kill your grandfather, before they had your parents?

Wu Shi: Why would I want to kill them?

Se Yue: I'm not asking you why you'd want to, I'm asking you if you think it's possible to physically do it.

Wu Shi: Hhhhm.

oh god it's a hearts quiz
nightpool
no, novikov
we learned this.
Zerovirus

Of course it's possible.

Of course it's impossible.

Zerovirus
oh jesus christ this is so dumb
i hate having to translate the technobabble of this game
of course, the 'it's impossible' answer is correct,
Deleted User
watch it be actually possible
and you lose a heart
jjjqance
this game's technobabble be like, why do they of in the catbox hot eat the food
nightpool
why do they call it catbox, when you cat in the cold train of out hot eat the train.
Zerovirus
Se Yue then proceeds to apply that to... this situation. The reason why Wu Shi has to die is because Wu Shi's original death is the 'cause' of the whole series of loops, much like the grandfather's existence is the 'cause' of the parents' existence, and so any course of events where Wu Shi survive is impossible because it grandfather-paradoxes the beginning of the time loop. except that makes no fucking sense because if that were ACTUALLY TRULY THE CASE then it would be impossible to end the time loop at all. if the universe is working to make sure that the same cause always leads to the same effect then the universe would also destroy any timelines where you try to stop looping, the authors are confusing different meta-levels of time,
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
jjjqance
chant it with me, proof that se yue is lying, proof that se yue is lying, proof that se yue is lying
Zerovirus
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Wu Shi: So what you're saying is...

Hengsheng's death is unavoidable.

S's appearance is unavoidable.

My death is unavoidable.

yes, she literally just explained to you why your death is theoretically unavoidable,
Deleted User
my death
avoidable
Zerovirus
yeah i didn't even bother waiting i just clicked the third option which was apparently correct

Wu Shi: Well, I guess I'm fucked, then.

actually it was like ten lines of him saying it in a more flowery and elaborate way but i'm not fucking translating all that because i'm still mad about the grandfather paradox bullshit.
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Wu Shi: I think perhaps we should consider stopping the loops again, ma'am.

Wu Shi: I'm really not giving up on life- like, if I could, I'd love to horse around with Yu Guang and Ji Hengsheng some more.

Wu Shi: But you said it yourself- my death seems unavoidable. So we should really stop this madness before things get even worse.

'i'd love to but i killed qian yuan with my own hands and i must find a way to save her as well as you now', coming up soon, just watch.
jjjqance
why qian yuan
coulda killed chang you or someone else neither of you care about
Zerovirus
that would be murder though
qian yuan gave consent
she was apparently being completely literal when she said that she was ready to repay the young mistress with her life!!!
not just i'm going to work for her my whole life but i'm going to fucking die in her name.
god damn.
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: I'm grateful for the fifty additional loops of time granted to me by your Tour of Time. I'm ready for it to end now.

Se Yue: No you're not.

Se Yue: You may say it, and even think it, but your expression is the face of a man who isn't ready to die yet.

Se Yue: You know, you've got great friends, Wu Shi.

Se Yue: You've got two great friends that you can always rely on to save you when you're in a pinch.

Se Yue: But always relying on others isn't enough when you want to be the one who saves others.

Se Yue: If the only way to help you was to hurt you... then what would you call an existence that constantly hurts you?

Se Yue: There's no way to stop, now.

Se Yue: If we stop here, then the people who died in the last loop would have died for nothing.

no, they would have died for the sake of being the last ones to die. this is called a sunk cost fallacy. which is appropriate, see, because we're on a costly cruise at the bottom of the fucking ocean.

Wu Shi: ...Those who died last loop?

Se Yue: You haven't noticed? We're short a person.

Se Yue: Though the Tour of Time produces fuel by itself every loop, there is a way to take control of fuel designation. A very simple method, in fact.

Who was used as fuel in the 2nd loop to bring us here to the 3rd loop?

Hengsheng

Qian Yuan

Yu Guang

these quizzes are getting easier and easier.
Deleted User
QIAN YUAN
😢
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Holy fuck did you-

Se Yue: That's right.

Se Yue: I murdered Qian Yuan and used her as fuel for the second loop.

jjjqance
oh my god rational fic time!!
sunk cost fallacy!!
oh wait
that wasn't in the translation
Zerovirus

Se Yue: I still have the gun I used to shoot her, by the way.

Se Yue raises the gun to me.

Se Yue: Before the tranquilizers kick in, I'm not going to allow you to escape from this place.

YEAH WHY THE FUCK DID YOU EVEN FUCKING AGREE TO COME BACK HERE i fucking swear if you didn't at least tell ji hengsheng you were coming here i'm going to- aaaaaaagh.
WHY DID YOU COME BACK TO THE ROOM WITH THE SMALL BOMBS YOU ABSOLUTE FUCK
Wu Shi gets all indignant over Se Yue killing Qian Yuan, as if this wasn't the direct result of his own fucking request.
avunvain
she can't admit to mistakes!
she can't let herself lose!
jjjqance
can we trade in this protagonist for a new one
Deleted User
everything is according to plan translator note: keikaku means plan
Zerovirus
Wu Shi continues being indignant, and Se Yue... doubles down and starts talking about how Ji Hengsheng is more important than Qian Yuan in this situation, because Ji Hengsheng is a psychological stabilizing factor for Wu Shi, and Wu Shi is a major actor in the scenario as the 'original fuel' with the power to retain his memories. And so Ji Hengsheng has to be kept alive because keeping her alive helps keep Wu Shi calm. You know what would probably help keep Wu Shi calm? not fucking goading him like this, lady.
Zerovirus

Se Yue: So, I've decided.

Se Yue: I have to use my own hands to control the selection process for fuel.

Se Yue: If someone must be sacrificed every loop, then we might as well start at Qian Yuan.

Wu Shi: Why her?

Se Yue: Because she respects me.

Se Yue: And because she respected me, she was willing to allow me to kill her.

Her expression was the resolved expression of someone who believed all their deeds were that of absolute justice.

I took a step back.

Wu Shi: ...So now you're going to kill someone every loop, is that it?

Se Yue: Only in loops where your friends, Ji Hengsheng or Yu Guang, are designated as fuel, I think.

ah, the principle of Killing Random Nameless Characters Before Named Characters
jjjqance
... or Ji right?
Zerovirus
i love how they've both completely forgotten about finding and stopping S
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jjjqance
no reason she couldn't be used again?
Zerovirus
ah, i accidentally cut a piece of dialogue out there somehow
skipped a few words
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Wu Shi screams at her to just fucking stop, and she replies, icily, "nope, not allowed to admit to failure", and Wu Shi yells "THIS DOESN'T COUNT" and she's like "no it definitely does."
actually fucking indoctrinated, the princess is.
you could totally fucking get away with this if you really wanted to. just say you did another fucked-up experiment. people would believe you.
she's doing this because she actually believes she cannot fail, i guess.
And so Wu Shi is committed to house arrest for a second fucking time.
Wait, aren't you going to tell her about the ring- I guess you're not.
I guess you're not going to get to go to the bonfire party this time either.
Fade to black, SCENE CHANGE: OUTSIDE THE FOURTEENTH TRAIN CAR, at an unknown time.
Deleted User
ARE WE GONNA GET SOME MORE S SCENES?!?!?!
Zerovirus
Nope, just your unfriendly neighborhood megacorp princess, visiting the 14th train car to carve tally marks to indicate the number of loops she's on.
...She's also apparently discovered that, if you write on papers in the 14th train car, the writing persists between loops.
jjjqance
oh hey we learned that forever ago
Zerovirus
(it's not clear if the papers were already in the car at the start of the loop, or if she's bringing in paper from outside. i'm not sure if this matters or not, but this is the first example of physical object transmission between loops, so.)
jjjqance
and never brought it up
Zerovirus
Anyways, she's keeping a diary in the 14th train car now. Not really for any purpose, she has a supergenius memory that never forgets a single thing, but, hey, better to have a backup anyways.
nightpool
for someone else to find
Zerovirus

In the third loop, in any case, Wu Shi perished anyways, despite me keeping a close watch on him.

He died of a bullet wound.

Even though I kept him far away from the 11th train car, all the way in the 1st train car with me, when we arrived at terminal station, the car suddenly shook, causing the handgun that I'd been keeping on the dresser to fall to the ground.

The gun discharged, and the bullet pieced his heart.

man, time is BULLSHIT.
...fuck, this isn't the third loop anymore.
how many loops have you done, se yue
nightpool
didn't the title screen just say third loop
Zerovirus
how many people have you killed?!
Deleted User
THE TIME GOD DOESN'T MAKE MISTAKES
Zerovirus
oh so it is
it's still the 3rd loop
so.. fuck, this is, you, getting ready to reset again
after wu shi died??
yep, still third loop
nightpool
yeah i deleted it b/c it seemed redundant.
Zerovirus

Se Yue: Time is bullshit.

Anyways, it turns out that the designated fuel this time was Yu Guang.

In order to prevent him from being used as fuel, I raised my gun and shot the maid who came to report this fact to me.

I'm not permitted to apologize to you, unfortunately.

But I will save you as well. Just like all the rest.

wow. cold.
avunvain
DAWN OF THE THIRD `LOOP`
Zerovirus
imagine like visiting your boss to deliver bad news and your boss being like
'that's a shame.'
and then just shoots you.
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and doesn't even fucking explain to you what you did wrong.
that is supervillain levels of evil.
avunvain
se yue you understand you're a supervillain
yes
same brain
Zerovirus
okay NOW we're getting the loopy spinny effect.
jjjqance
Wu Shi already pointed this out but she's becoming like S
S also knocked us out fr each loop to minimize our interference
Zerovirus
...there's no black screen with time/place/loop count, this time. instead there's THIS. so, uh, from upper right to bottom right, following the curve of the undersea railway:

Terminal Station

VIP Cabin

Connecting Junction (between train cars)

Midpoint Station

this feels like a significant choice.
but i don't know what it entails, or even who we're piloting here.
Deleted User
vip section
because we are a vip
jjjqance
connecting junction seems like a shitty & useless place to be
don't go there
er wait
we have the option to go to two different stations?
Zerovirus
yep. i feel like this is basically choosing what... time... we want to join in???
idk.
i'm going to click midpoint station and see what happens.
oh, hey, arabic numerals this time. loop number four.
actually bothering me that they don't consistently use either chinese or arabic numerals here.
Deleted User
ominous
Zerovirus

Se Yue: The original way that Wu Shi died was by drowning in the 11th train car.

Se Yue: To avoid this, I attempted to detach the 11th and 12th train cars.

wait, how does that work?? wouldn't you wind up losing the 13th and 14th cars too? what if you lose the ability to time travel at all? that's such a risk, smh.

However, the detachment process led to instability in the train, and caused a tremor which caused me to fall and knock my head against the control terminal. I was knocked out.

Maybe it was because I was thinking about Wu Shi so much, lately, but I had a dream where he and I were conversing alone.

Zerovirus

In the dream- uncharacteristically for me- I showed signs of weakness and despair to him.

After I woke up, in order to prevent an accident from occuring earlier than scheduled, I abandoned this prophylactic plan and reattached all the train cars at the midpoint station.

In the end, Wu Shi died of drowning this loop, as though the universe were mocking my useless efforts.

The fuel for the 4th loop was a student from a different class that I'd never met before. I was relieved when I found this out. Then I was somewhat disappointed with myself for being relieved.

we LOOP again.
ah. it's one of THOSE things.
well, let's go through'em in order, starting from back of the train to the front of the train, why not.
looks like that might even be the chronological order? either that or it just shows you loop number and scene independently of each other.
Zerovirus

Loop five. Tranquilized Wu Shi at the start of the loop, both to spare him the pain and to minimize his interference with the loops.

His death in this loop was probably the worst one so far.

He was killed by- well, in a sense, Ji Hengsheng.

don't you dare fucking clickbait me
Zerovirus

Due to obstructions on the railway, the train was forced to make multiple emergency brakes, causing it to shake violently multiple times. At the same time, Ji Hengsheng broke into the VIP Cabin and saved Wu Shi. As she was escorting Wu Shi away from my room, the train's shaking caused her to accidentally push Wu Shi over the guardrail between cars.

I was glad that I'd tranquilized Wu Shi, so that he didn't have to witness Hengsheng's absolute despair.

The fuel for this loop was Ji Hengsheng, who, after witnessing Wu Shi dying, attempted to follow him by jumping off the train herself.

I called for a Se family maid, and pushed her... off...

LOOP AGAIN
man. time is a fuck.
what the fuck is the clever solution though?
there's got to be a clever solution that gets everyone out of this
i guess we have to start with Wu Shi using the time machine to create the 15th train car's world
but what do we do AFTER that? does that alone solve anything? do we just get the ending where wu shi loops, tells absolutely nobody about anything, and dies, and because he was both fuel and user it makes it so nobody else can use the time machines?
jjjqance
add so many train cars that they reach all the back to the origin station
Zerovirus
VIP cabin time.
Deleted User
V I P
Zerovirus

In loop 6, I released the tranquilizer gas the moment we returned to the past, causing Wu Shi to lose consciousness instantaneously.

The idiot tried to stop me all the way up to the last moment of his awareness.

But rules are rules.

I can't make mistakes or fail. No matter how much I suffered, I had to bear the pain and continue.

Unfortunately, Wu Shi died this loop as well.

From a drug overdose, of all things.

Deleted User
?????
jjjqance
wow whose fault is that
jjjqance
obviously it's Se Yue's because her awful treatment of Wu Shi caused him to become depressed. he became an alcoholic and wasted away his years. decades later, as a broken middle aged man, he committed suicide by overdosing on painkillers
Zerovirus

At the end of the trip, an accident occurred that overturned many of the cars, causing the expected flooding and whatnot. All quite standard at this point.

I had medical personnel readied, of course, and they were immediately able to recover and initiate rescuscitation on Wu Shi.

Unfortunately, one of the medical personnel accidentally added an excessive dose of a drug that was poisonous in high doses to Wu Shi's drip, resulting in Wu Shi's death.

Another ridiculous death.

This time the fuel was a student that neither me nor Wu Shi knew, a student named 'Hao Xing' who died from blunt trauma during the train's crash.

It wasn't Yu Guang or Ji Hengsheng, so this time I didn't have to kill anyone.

LOOOOOOOOP
jjjqance
S = Hao Xing
Zerovirus
huh. the midpoint station's available again??
Zerovirus
oh shit it's her
...no, wait, it's the guy, not the girl
the guy on the right is hao xing
i still can't get over the fact that this game has so many random bit npcs
anyways i'm gonna visit terminal station
avunvain
Wu Shi your instincts regarding the Se princess may have been
more correct than you expected
Zerovirus

In the seventh loop, the crash and flooding happened as scheduled. None of it affected Wu Shi in the least, who was sedated and lying peacefully on my bed in the VIP cabin.

Unfortunately, it was only after I'd finished organizing the rescue efforts, when I brought medical personnel to check up on Wu Shi, that I found that he had long since died of inhaling an excessive amount of aerosolized sedative.

Apparently, the crash had caused the trigger mechanism for the tranquilizer to misfire.

Yet another unacceptable way to die.

The fuel this time was a Se family maid who died of an impact during the crash.

Because it wasn't Yu Guang or Ji Hengsheng, I didn't kill anyone.

Nevertheless, the events of this loop had a strange sense of deja vu to them. It made me uneasy, and I found that I had trouble breathing.

LOOP
....wh... can i just... keep going to the terminal station??
is there some kind of password here? do i need to visit places in the right order??
i'm going to terminal station again.
okay.
nightpool
how have we truly lost the plot to this extent
what happened to "a masked man is trying to kill you and your friends"
jjjqance
i hope they wrote like 100 of these and we can read as many as we want until we click the other station
avunvain
at some point Se Yue pulls on the mask
purely as a tactical decision, you understand
nightpool
we know she can't be S because otherwise the whole first car / second car thing wouldn't work
Zerovirus

It's hopeless. Cause and effect are sealed.

It's the grandfather paradox, after all. Wu Shi's death starts the loops, so Wu Shi has to die, or else none of this could have happened.

It's so ridiculous...

This time, Wu Shi was crushed, under the train, when it crashed and flipped over.

The fuel this time was a Se family maid who had always looked on me with respectful eyes.

LOOOOOOP
how many more of these do you have in y ou
can i kill everyone on this train
will you let me do that
avunvain
se yue in a very extended green Wicked Action sequence
Zerovirus
hm. guess not.
Zerovirus
half the audience isn't even going to get that joke lol
nightpool
but half of it is!
avunvain
i have nitro, i'm using it
Zerovirus
oh, we timeskipped a little!!
the luckiest number.
avunvain
jump to 26. 45. 108
Zerovirus
so, i originally had this theory
that there was no fucking such thing as a time god, right?
jjjqance
maybe we, the player, are the time god
Zerovirus
and the reason why wu shi was going back in time was because S was manually making wu shi go back in time somehow, and wu shi had never actually died, he'd just fainted from drowning
which would make him valid for being-sent-back-in-time, as a person who was still alive
but
i cannot at all
reconcile that theory
with, well, everything se yue's doing, here
se yue is doing nothing special to ensure that wu shi goes back in time
jjjqance
he has reading steiner
Zerovirus
her own narration pretty much proves it, you cannot fucking fit an S in this
which only leaves the possibility that... god, fuck, i fucking hate it, but maybe the time god / original fuel theory is true?
i fucking HATE that theory and i don't even want to acknowledge it but
se yue clearly isn't dragging wu shi to the time machine with her so
i don't know why wu shi has time travel privileges.
Zerovirus
anyways.

Loop 13.

Twelve people have been afflicted with Lost Time Syndrome.

With the increase in the number of people who fall over spontaneously, people are losing their interest in enjoying the cruise. Everyone is worried.

The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws.

What laws existed that could be used to solve this problem that I had yet to discover?

To break the binds of causality and escape the limits of the Grandfather Paradox.

...Was it really possible?

It was like killing one's own grandfather and still expecting the father and son to appear.

If I can't think of something, the corpses being used as fuel will just get stacked up higher and higher.

In the thirteenth loop, Wu Shi died of being decapitated.

i'd ask how, but at this point i think the game has made it adequately clear that time is a vicious motherfucker.

The fuel this time was the Se family maid who'd replaced Qian Yuan to give me my regular morning greetings.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOP
nightpool
maybe it's something stupid like, "because he was saved by the machine once, he's immune to it now" or something
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Zerovirus
the game's doing a great job at making me really feel viscerally exhausted by the loops
are you feeling tired because i am
nightpool
because he was saved by qian yuan's looping somehow
Zerovirus
15! the number of the magic square! the triangular number of size 5!
Zerovirus
i hate it but it sounds plausible yeah

Loop 15. He dies of asphyxiation.

The fuel was... It doesn't matter. Whether I killed them or not, it's the same as if I killed them.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
okay wow that was real fucking short
CHOISEZ
jjjqance
middle one
Zerovirus
men's dormitory. infirmary. the 14th train car.
jjjqance
got a good feeling about it
Zerovirus
sure!
nightpool
14th train car
nooooo
it's okay
i have a feeling we're going to see them all anyway
Zerovirus
17, the 7th prime number, sum of the first 4 prime numbers!
oh they're playing the 'depressing thoughtful piano music' but, slowed down, and with a horror-movie sound filter on it so it sounds all creepy and reverb-y and out-of-tune. sweet.
Zerovirus

Can't think of a way out, no matter how hard I try.

But as the Se family princess, I can't ask anyone to help.

Have to figure it out by myself.

Every loop teaches me a new lesson that strengthens my defenses just a bit further.

But, as if to mock my efforts, Wu Shi's death becomes more and more ridiculous.

This loop, it was a heart failure of unclear cause.

yeah that's what you get when you fucking fight the death note
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
14th train car let's go
nineteeeen
jjjqance
ugh
i had my wish come true to get a new protagonist
and she's not much better lol
Zerovirus

In the 19th loop, he died saving me.

For some reason, he awoke at the very last moment, and saved me from falling off the train while I was staring at the 14th train car in a daze.

He died smiling.

It's not over yet.

I can't lose.

If even I can't save everyone, then there's nobody who can save them.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
avunvain
se yue, consider: try a different tactic
such as:
literally
anything else
Zerovirus
just the men's dormitory now
Zerovirus
When Wu Shi wasn't looking, Se Yue took twenty loops. She took 20 loops. That's as many as two tens. And that's terrible.

I still couldn't save him.

...that's it. that's all we get. we loop IMMEDIATELY.
just a dining car option here.
twenty-one. blackjack.
avunvain
i like that her only reaction is that little scribbly stress bubble
Zerovirus
oh the music is REALLY horror-y now
it's all minor-pitched and everything
avunvain
like she got the wrong order at a restaurant instead of murdering someone because she didn't win the time game
Zerovirus
they slowed it down again and now it's super double creepy
Zerovirus

To minimize the number of variables, I imitate the actions I took during the original loop as best as I can.

I am the Se family princess. I am very good at acting.

This time, he died of... spontaneous respiratory arrest.

...What's even the point of writing down these causes of death, anyways?

It's not like it changes anything...

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
god.
we're actually going to get to, like, 50, aren't we.
it's still going.
nightpool
there was a great one a while back where Wu Shi used his "I'm so determined to get this last piece of cake" emote to say "I'm not going to let you die Ji!"
Zerovirus
attention, all passengers. we are now leaving the realm of the alphabet.
avunvain
NO MORE NOTES
JUST HELL
Zerovirus
the screen's flashing between backgrounds randomly now.
nightpool
have we considered trying ANY other approach to the situation
like, interrogating the passengers
jjjqance
even if we figure out who S is that doesn't really solve our problem
nightpool
doesn't it?
avunvain
se "homura akemi" yue
Zerovirus

Can't think right. Everything feels like a dream.

In the face of the mounting pile of corpses and the repeated loops that makes one want to vomit, all I've got left is the curse of the Se family inscribed in my blood.

jjjqance
it doesn't even appear that S is acting right now
nightpool
the whole reason we can't go 15th car right now is that idea that S is going to gank us and we have to reset, right?
and or the train crash although it seems like we've got that one down.
Zerovirus

Can't lose.

(The screen flashes through almost every single background the game has shown us so far, in a flurry of transitions over the course of about two seconds.)

Can't losecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlosecan'tlose.

jjjqance
even if we add more cars i don't think that would help Wu Shi survive
Zerovirus
A QUESTION MARK
...i'm gonna torture se yue a little more by taking her to terminus station first though
Zerovirus
twennynine.
avunvain
aw mean
feel like that's maybe gonna be a bad end
nightpool
I'm will admit I'm still slightly confused on that point, but I thought the reason he's doomed to die in this loop is because he was the first fuel again
jjjqance
oh.
nightpool
presumably we can just find somebody else to use as the first fuel, right? no?
Zerovirus
The Terminus Station just gives us a bit of narrative we've already seen.
jjjqance
hm ok but then why do you say that the existence of S prevents us from moving on to the 15th car?
Zerovirus
Guess we've used up all the variations in the game, the game's throwing repeats of the same scenarios at us now.
Well, whatever, time to move onto QUESTION MARK now,
jjjqance
like since we "stole the controller" it seems like S isn't around at all anymore
nightpool
mostly because until we understand S's motives and means they're an open variable that could prevent us from keeping everyone safe, so we should use this loop to gain as much information about them as we can so we don't have to loop at all on the "final timeline"
Zerovirus

W a i t....

T h i s... i s a c o m p l e t e r e p e a t.

I ' v e w a s t e d a l o o p -

a l i f e

j u s t l i k e t h a t.

nightpool
I agree that it does seem like S has vanished and I don't really have much explanation for that
Zerovirus
kind of impressive you let time pull a scenario repeat on you even after twenty more people died than before.
that'd be a big change to the scenario you'd imagine
hypothesis: we're in a meta-loop, and se yue's time loops will end with ji pulling some bullshit and stealing control of the time machine back with se yue, after which ji dons the S mask and becomes S all over again.
nightpool
yeah that tracks
Zerovirus
se yue at this point is honestly not at all better than S. i'm sorry but you had your chance at the ship's helm and you fucked it up.
nightpool
Bad End
Zerovirus
anyways, time for the mystery box!
loop 30, apparently.
jjjqance
exciting!
Zerovirus

Wu Shi died.

the game is playing the 'gloomy depressing piano' track backwards now.
and that's all we get for that loop.
nightpool
cool
nice mystery box
Zerovirus
it's a cheesy old trope, 'playing music backwards to creep the player out', but i have a soft spot for it
Zerovirus
oh don't worry the mystery box isn't finished with us just yet. we are immediately sent to loop 31, no choices, just instantly getting thrown into the fray.
more creepy backwards music.

Wu Shi died.

...i see where this is going.
betcha this is going to go all the way up to loop 48.
jjjqance
2^5
Zerovirus
avunvain
"S. Listen. Would you consider just doing your thing without our opposition at this point"
"because i honestly doubt it'll be worse than what Se Yue is doing to stop you."
Zerovirus
jjjqance
it's 34, duh
Zerovirus
we've lost track of the count. guess we've given up on tallying.
jjjqance
did she really lose count
Zerovirus
Deleted User
...........
Zerovirus

We've lost so many people, but the tragic outcomes show no sign of stopping... should I really continue?

CONTINUE LOOPING

CEASE LOOPING

Deleted User
CONTINUE
FORWARD FOOORRRWWWAAARRRRDD
DON'T LOSE
jjjqance
i'm sure the next one we'll figure it out
Zerovirus
does this game actually have the cojones to give us a bad end if we stop looping now
nightpool
okay last time I suggested "cease looping" I meant "let someone else loop" and the game meant "no more loops whatsoever"
Zerovirus
IT JUST FADES TO WHITE AND KICKS US BACK TO THE TITLE SCREEN IF WE HIT 'CEASE LOOPING' EXCEPT NOBODY IS HERE NOW EVERYONE IS DEAD WE DID IT
good thing i still have my save files!
goes to check my save files
nightpool
wait does it really start the whole game over
Deleted User
lel
Zerovirus
...yep, everything's right here!
Deleted User
watch your save files be corrupted
Zerovirus
i was absolutely not worried at all ha ha ha.
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nightpool
I wanna try hitting start and seeing what happens
Zerovirus
i've done it before, it just starts you at the... start of the game.
i did it once to check the earlygame for some reason or other.
no reason to expect it to do anything different, so i'm going to continue on the se yue trauma train.
nightpool
hmm
Zerovirus
jesus christ
it's the exact same fucking screen
fuck it, there's nothing you can do to stop me from repeatedly mashing continue
UndertaleHeart
jjjqance
loop 9000
Zerovirus

PROCEED

avunvain
noelle hengsheng
berd guang
Zerovirus
third iteration of the same choice process and oh wow that is a trippy visual effect.
hang on let me load it and try and record it
Zerovirus
slightly flashing lights, warning this is the transition that happens the third time i hit 'continue'. there's a spirally effect with looping usually but this is, like, twice as big and long a spiral.
we are on loop who knows however the fuck many, and,

Wu Shi died.

So many people died.

Death.

se yue is channeling her inner dlanor.
se yue, when you've gotten to the point where you're chanting the word 'death' over and over again as a mantra,
that probably means
it is time,
to stop.
Deleted User
no it mean it's time to CONTINUE
avunvain
`PROCEED`
Zerovirus
the screen goes white, and the creepy reversed music stops, and...
emotional piano starts playing again.

...Just when exactly is this, anyways?

Deleted User
WU SHI FROM HEAVEN?
Zerovirus

Se Yue keeps tranquilizing me as soon as I wake up.

It's really not at all clear to me anymore how many loops we've gone through, now. How many loops into the 14th train car's world are we, now?

Zerovirus

I'd somehow managed to claw my way to a sliver of consciousness again. I turned my head just a bit and opened my eyes just a sliver-

Oh.

My head was apparently resting on Se Yue's lap.

I closed my eyes shut immediately. If she noticed, I'd be put back to sleep again for sure.

Se Yue: Hey, Wu Shi.

Se Yue must have not known that I could hear her.

Se Yue: What kind of person do you think I am, I wonder?

Her voice was weaker- more fragile- than I'd ever heard it before.

Zerovirus

Se Yue: Can't thank people, can't apologize, can't say please...

Se Yue: Disconnecting the connections between me and others, so that I can view others from a higher vantage point...

Se Yue: But how do I know who I am, once I've severed all those bonds?

...Actually, was this real, or was I dreaming?

The surroundings around me certainly didn't look anything like any of the places I'd been before in any of the previous loops.

jjjqance
what goin on
Deleted User
she's breaking mate
avunvain
are you even sure you're wu shi, or just se yue's idea of wu shi
Zerovirus

Se Yue: I once told you not to attempt to estimate me, as your expectations would surely be disappointed whether they were good or bad ones.

Se Yue: Because...

Se Yue: Even I don't know what kind of person I really am.

Se Yue was speaking words that she absolutely couldn't say had anyone else been present.

Se Yue: Only when I am confident that there are none around me can I reveal my real self.

Se Yue: But a self not perceived by others doesn't really exist, does it?

Se Yue: Even when I talk aloud by myself, I have no way of knowing whether the things that I say represent my true self.

Se Yue stared towards some distant place with loneliness in her expression.

Deleted User
bro she sounds like a first year philosophy major
Zerovirus

Se Yue: I am the Se princess, the heir of the Se family, the Se Family Itself.

Se Yue: But that's just another way of saying that, if you take the Se Family out of me, then I'll be left with nothing at all.

Se Yue: So, I guess what that really means, is that Se Yue doesn't exist, really.

Se Yue: When I take action, I really can't tell if I'm doing things because Se Yue Wants To Do These Things, or if it's because the Se Princess Is Supposed To Do These Things.

Se Yue: When I talk, is it that Se Yue Wants To Say Something, or is it that the Se Princess Needs To Say These Things?

Zerovirus
i think that, instead of talking to a wu shi who may or may not actually exist,
what she actually needs to do
is go to therapy
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unironically. this is the kind of fucked-up issue that requires actual therapy.
not anime friendship. or, well, not just anime friendship.
jjjqance
technically, 'don't go to therapy' wasn't one of the se family rules
Zerovirus
i guess you could construe it under 'ask for help'?
therapy's a kind of asking for help isn't it
jjjqance
hm
i wonder
are they not allowed to go to a doctor either
avunvain
a doctor doesn't require you to show vulnerability!
also uh
Zerovirus
so just proctologists then
avunvain
i suspect a therapist might prod at those rules a bit
Zerovirus
no proctologists
Deleted User
LET THE BODY TAKE CARE OF ITSELF
THE HUMAN BODY HAS AMAZING POWERS
Zerovirus
we get hemmorhoids like real royalty in this family
avunvain
like going to a therapist doesn't violate the rules
Deleted User
WILL AWAY YOUR BAD THOUGHTS
avunvain
but the therapist is probably going to ask you to violate the rules
Zerovirus
though, like..
honestly, realistically,
one thing that i've been thinking about this game for a while is
like, you know how in visual novels like this, the suffering that the characters go through strengthens their bonds of friendship and bakes them together into an unbreakable team forever
this game, on the other hand, makes me think,
'if this actually happened, irl, this would fucking destroy their friendgroup'
Deleted User
true true
Zerovirus
'like, they'd get off this train and then go as FAR from each other as they could, and try their best to never talk to anyone else who was on that train, ever again'
'start life anew, get rid of anything that could remind you of time train hell'
'this is not the kind of suffering that brings you closer together, it feels like the opposite, even.'
'like, holy shit, would you REALLY be willing to spend another minute in a room alone with se yue after all this'
'if i were wu shi i absolutely fucking would not'
jjjqance
yeah she's kind of the worst
Zerovirus
'i would have crippling trauma about being locked up in a room by se maids with tranquilizers, forever'
Deleted User
watch su yue be the waifu after this
like wu shi will slowly realize that he is looping for his one true love
SU YUE
nightpool
except for ji
Zerovirus
right, like, this game keeps going for... painting se yue as this traumatized woobie who just wants fwiends and wuv and doesn't know how to get it, but then she keeps doing shit like, locking us in a room and tranquilizing us and killing tons of people in order to not just let us die
and it just doesn't work
every single scene that's supposed to be heart-touching, with se yue,
including this very scene,
falls flat because se yue is just such a contradictory character
she keeps talking about how she wants friends and then keeps just- taking shit into her own hands
jjjqance
i wonder how many people unironically think se yue is best girl
Deleted User
N O
ONLY JI
avunvain
she's terrible. which is why she's great
Zerovirus
and her obsession with saving wu shi has- well, at this point, it's gone from 'relatable heroism' to 'freaky yandere obsession'.
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Deleted User
JI FOREVER
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avunvain
that said ji still the best 1973
Zerovirus
se yue is like... homura, but, not as good.
the broad strokes of their arcs are similar but
i don't know what it is homura has that se yue doesn't.
they both get saved by the other person a single time, after which they start looping time forever and develop an obsession with saving the other person,
jjjqance
homura has a reason to love madoka
se yue has no real connection to wu shi at all
Zerovirus
oh, i know, HOMURA DOESN'T FUCKING SNEAK INTO MADOKA'S ROOM AT THE START OF EVERY LOOP AND KIDNAP AND SEDATE HER WITH DRUGS
THAT'S THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE
Deleted User
homura was fighting against something for madoka
Zerovirus
HOMURA HAS A BASIC LEVEL OF RESPECT FOR MADOKA'S PHYSICAL AGENCY AS A HUMAN BEING.
whereas se yue started the drugs party on, what. loop TWO.
what the fuck, woman.
avunvain
homura thinks of madoka as a person and her objective is madoka's happiness
where se yue thinks of wu shi as...
a proving grounds, basically
nightpool
see also: ji
who thinks of us as a person and her objective is our happiness.
avunvain
she doesn't really care whether things work out for wu shi so long as she wins
jjjqance
i support ji becoming S and kicking this wannabe-heroine's ass
Zerovirus
except if ji is S she's also tranquilized us a lot
nightpool
despite her whole y'know, blood thing
Zerovirus
but somehow i feel like ji can get away with it because she's ji
nightpool
sure but tbf we deserved it at least some of those times
Zerovirus
fuck fair standards, we out here being biased and proud
nightpool
i will admit i think if ji IS s she has a lot of explaining to do vis a vis "why did you not tell me about this"
avunvain
homura [rebellion spoilers] than se yue did with wu shi
nightpool
yu guang on the other hand... that dude's got secrets
Zerovirus
yu guang DOES seem very... like why do you even exist
avunvain
yu guang is having a parallel time travel adventure that we don't get to see
Zerovirus
he could easily be S on the grounds of 'the character with no reason to even exist is very often the culprit'
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Deleted User
it seems that victory is the only thing that matters for su yue
avunvain
we're his magician arcana in that one
jjjqance
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shiasmile 2
avunvain
thank you jjj
nightpool
yeah that's the stuff
Deleted User
god bless you jjj
Zerovirus

Se Yue: If I had such a friend, I wouldn't mind it even if he denounced me for being cruel.

Se Yue: Or yelled at me for being inhuman and cold.

Se Yue: I just want to know what kind of person I am.

Se Yue: How would the you who always speaks your mind speak to me, if you could answer me, now?

we just had a conversation about this very thing didn't we does this count as predicting the next line of the game

Se Yue: ...But you can't answer me now, can you.

Se Yue: After all...

Se Yue: You're already dead...

and then our head starts swelling up, and we explode into a gout of blood tastefully framed against a solid-color background in silhouette.
nightpool
lmao
it was a dream after all, huh
Deleted User
OMAE MO SHINDERO
Zerovirus
NANI?!
nightpool
wait is that real or is zero tricking me again
Zerovirus
the head explosion part's not real
avunvain
i believed it
Zerovirus
and it is kind of concerning that i have apparently managed to trick you into thinking that was real, because i wasn't even trying, that was just a meme
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there's soft emotional piano playing here in this pastel heavenscape!
it would be REALLY weird for us to suddenly randomly explode!
this isn't umineko, after all, things don't swing THAT fast in this game.
jjjqance
oh i thought it was real
i thought it was a dream sequence
Zerovirus
anyways the screen fades to white. for all the fuck we know it COULD have been a dream sequence.
if it wasn't, then se yue's just being very flowery about processing her trauma relating to us dying over and over and over.
Deleted User
mebe they're blessings from the TIME GOD
Zerovirus
a timestamp which is completely useless for knowing anything other than our location.
nightpool
i assume it was a dream sequence! come on!
that's totally a thing that would be tonally appropriate in a wu shi dream sequence
Zerovirus
okay yeah i'll grant you that one. if it were a dream sequence it'd be appropriate. But anyways. We're Wu Shi again. We wake up in the VIP cabin. Wu Shi isn't sure whether what he just experienced, there, was dream or reality, either.
Nobody's even here, and he has no idea what time it is.
He looks around for some way to tell the time, and finds a little watch in the cabinet. It's apparently 12:05.

Wu Shi: ...12:05? So it's probably the second day again, which means this is the start of the loop.

Wu Shi: ...This would ordinarily be the point at which the princess turns on the sleepy gas.

Wu Shi: ...Why isn't she here to do that? Where is she?

avunvain
emotional breakdown
nightpool
she's used herself as fuel
Deleted User
so begins the crusade of S
Zerovirus

Still confused, I left the VIP cabin- it was unlocked, apparently-

And stepped into hell.

Ji Luban: AAAAAAHHH! SOMEONE PLEASE SAVE HIM!

Se Family Maid: Take all of the fallen to the infirmary car! Quickly!

Deleted User
who dis?
another Ji for the shipping wars?
Zerovirus

(a different) Se Family Maid (distinguished mostly via nametag color): There's not enough stretchers! Hurry! Tell them to bring more!

Countless classmates were slumped over on the ground. It was chaos.

Zerovirus
this Ji is actually... etymologically it's a character meaning 'maiden' or 'princess' or 'queen', with connotations of 'sacred feminine'
historically it was the name of the royal family of... some old dynasty or other, possibly the Xia dynasty
it shows up a lot in xianxia, very often as a badguy-name
characters with this as their last name tend to be rich brats or Young Master heirs to Old Money / Old Power
Deleted User
hmmmmm
Zerovirus
the guy's given name translates to 'dew bonds'.
decently ordinary name. not sure it has any meaning, given that he's a bit NPC.
Zerovirus
the character 姬 is still in common use in japanese- it's a word you probably know, hime.
(chinese no longer commonly uses 姬 to mean 'princess'; rather, the chinese word for princess is 公主, or 'palace-mistress'.)
anyways, back to the story- Lost Time Syndrome has returned in full force.

Wu Shi: ....Just which loop IS this?!

Things are really bad.

It's like a battlefield. No matter where I went, there were collapsed bodies. In the chairs, in the aisles, between the trains, in the dining car, the observation cars, the recreational cars...

The dining car had so many soulless bodies in particular that I found it impossible to walk without stepping on anyone.

Deleted User
is this a warzone?!?!?
jjjqance
oops
nightpool
hasn't she been mostly killing maids? why is everyone else dropping dead?
Zerovirus
not even S had let it get this bad. Wu Shi pushes through the masses of the fallen, heading for the 14th train car.
Zerovirus
Well, that's pretty bad. The official count of people on the train was... two hundred, right? Yeah, Se Yue said it was 200 a long long time ago.
There's a hundred tallies on the 14th train car.
So we have reached 50% attrition rate.
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One in two people are falling over dead.

...Twenty completed tally marks.

And the last mark there was- it was not just carved in a clearly disheveled way, but there were bloodstains on it.

Wu Shi fights the urge to throw up.
congratulations, Se Yue! your sins are officially worth TWO S's in total.
Wu Shi stands there for a while, just, utterly crushed, by the weight of this realization, before someone knocks him out of it.
IT'S YOU
THE CHARACTER WHO STILL EXISTS
Deleted User
who?
nightpool
oh, hey.
it's S
Zerovirus
AND BEST GIRL IS ALSO HERE
jjjqance
tiem to team up and go kill that little shit
Deleted User
S is finally here to set things right again
Zerovirus

Yu Guang: Wu Shi!

Ji Hengsheng: Shi-chan!

Yu Guang: We've been looking for you for ages! So this is where you were!

Ji Hengsheng: So many students just collapsed suddenly... Shi-chan, are you okay?

jjjqance
they can call themselves the S team cause they're S-tier (except Yu Guang but he can come along)
Zerovirus
Wu Shi thinks, quietly, to himself, about how Se Yue has stuck to her guns on this one thing, at least. Even through a hundred loops, she hasn't let Ji Hengsheng or Yu Guang die.

Knowing her, she's probably 'shouldered the burdens' for all of the people she killed to protect Ji Hengsheng and Yu Guang.

...No wonder she's gone missing.

She's probably on the edge of complete emotional collapse.

Zerovirus
Wu Shi, Yu Guang, and Ji Hengsheng mutually share reassurances that they're all fine and they're not going to keel over randomly anytime soon. Then Wu Shi thinks about taking this opportunity to take action.

...I should go see her.

Wu Shi: ...Hey, you two.

Wu Shi: If I put everything I had on the line to try to save just one person, do you think I could do it?

Yu Guang / Ji Hengsheng: Nah.

Wu Shi: What.

Yu Guang / Ji Hengsheng: You're nowhere near competent enough to be that cool.

Yu Guang: But if you said we rather than I...

Ji Hengsheng: Then, yeah, totally, we'd back you up!

Yu Guang: So go for it, man.

Ji Hengsheng: We'll be with you!

Wu Shi: Mmm. Thanks.

It was time to end all this.

Not just for my friends, but also for that foolish young mistress who insisted on doing everything herself.

Wu Shi: I'll be counting on you two to help me, then.

I lifted my head.

Wu Shi: Let this ridiculous series of loops come to an end, here and now.

a dramatic declaration!
(offscreen, Ji Hengsheng: Yu Guang what is he talking about.)
(Yu Guang: I have no fucking idea just roll with it.)
Deleted User
but why?
Zerovirus
well, on a practical level, this is the first time he's been able to move freely in, like, 98 loops.
Deleted User
what about su yue is charismatic enough to warrant this bullshit?
Zerovirus
he should do something with this.
Zerovirus
her vast tracts of land, of course
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as the heiress to the cesium conglomerate she surely owns the deeds to many valuable real-estate properties
jjjqance
he should ... run back to se yue's room where he will get tranquilized
Zerovirus
...
that is exactly what he is doing apparently.
well, he's heading to the outside of the VIP cabin.
please actually have a brain and stop going into the fucking trap.
loop 100, time... huh. four hours till midnight, so, 8PM. what've they been spending all this time setting up??
alright it is getting real fucking late and i'm going to cut it here while the cutting is good
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Deleted User
k thanks then
jjjqance
thanks for translating!
Zerovirus
se yue's bizarre adventure has been
quite fucked
Deleted User
quite an understatement
nightpool
my guess is that se yue used herself for fuel this loop
jjjqance
hm
if she actually just committed suicide (from the stress & pressure, not as a "noble sacrifice" or whatever) that would be a pretty interesting direction
Benedict
i'm not caught up with this channel but i have to register my confusion at... all this se yue looping, what is she actually fucking doing in all these loops? does she have a plan? is she actually just trying to outsmart the evil fate genie repeatedly, despite that obviously being impossible because time is contriving coincidences to murder him? what even is her wincon here?
the loops are to buy time to try and solve the problem, but i'm not seeing any actual attempts to acquire information or do anything
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Zerovirus
She’s apparently just brute-forcing it. Like a dum-dum. “If I prevent enough potential ways-to-die through brute force I can make it impossible to die and win” is her logic, I think.
That’s right! She’s straight up just being like, ‘i’m going to invent perfect immortality within 200 loops of 24 hours, in this closed underwater railway catbox, in a cave, with a box of scraps’
Zerovirus
Really, this game suffers from A-tier banter, C-tier plot, F-tier worldbuilding problems.
Se Yue is one of the most salient examples of ‘informed superintelligence’ I’ve seen in fiction in a long time.
Exactly the kind of writing failure mode where Being Smart means Inventing Lots Of Incredible Futuristic Sci-Fi Gadgets And Having A Perfect Memory And Being Snobby To Everyone Else.
With a little side of Being Rational Means You’re More Ruthless And Less Attuned To Your Emotions.
Zerovirus
I have a responsibility to the game to try to translate it properly so that at least the original intended tonality of the narrative as written by the authors comes across accurately, but man would I be lying if I said that I weren’t rolling my eyes as hard as everyone else was at the misery-porn.
Every single scene with Se Yue in it just makes you ask ‘but why tho’
She has like a single interesting quality and that is her systematic overvaluation of biscuit straws.
nightpool
se yue has a lot of interesting qualities!
it's just a complete shame that the game doesn't seem to like, remember that
jjjqance
well to be fair, i think Se Yue's actions well reflect her upbringing. like, she was raised to be an extremely arrogant and elitist, and ... she is
what's weird is that some of the banter seems to forget that
probably because the writers want to write cute banter
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nightpool
there's "arrogant" and then there's "doing the exact same thing 100 times in a row because you think it's going to change the 101th time"
jjjqance
but she doesn't make mistakes!
whatever she did the first time must have been the right thing
jjjqance
doubling down on a doomed approach seems perfectly in-character
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Zerovirus
I wonder if maybe she’ll come off differently in the official english translation…? Probably not.
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