Part 4

Zerovirus
Allllllllright! I'm back on Rail of Mobius.
Wu Shi and Ji Hengsheng have come up with a plan to gank S. This cannot possibly go wrong.
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Though- oh, Ji Hengsheng has also
proposed that she call Yu Guang,
and recruit him to the gank party as well
Wu Shi... tells her not to call.
His reasoning is that he knows Yu Guang is already dead,
and he doesn't want to sadden Ji Hengsheng, so he just covers it up.
which is...
okay, first of all, this just makes me more sus of Ji Hengsheng, because, like, I'm imagining that Ji already knows that Yu Guang is dead, in the universe where she's S,
and she suggested calling Yu Guang specifically so she could fake him not picking up and thus scare Wu Shi even more.
(But that's just my personal theory rn.)
jjjqance
omg
brilliant
Zerovirus
Anyways, Wu Shi declines recruiting Yu Guang, and Ji Hengsheng goes along with it and they're off.
3:50 AM, 12th train car, loop 4.
Let's gank the enemy carry.
Zerovirus
As Wu Shi reenters the infirmary car, he notes that there's nobody lying there in a pool of blood this time around. Se Yue seems to have avoided suffering any iron pipe attacks this timeline.
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Ji Hengsheng: Okay, here's the plan.

Ji Hengsheng: While you get ontop of the train car to meet S, I'll go around to the other side of the car, climb up quietly while you're distracting him, and then I'll jump him from behind.

Wu Shi: Are you sure that's going to work? He's probably armed, after all.

Ji Hengsheng: Eh, we don't need to beat him, we just need to get the mask off him. It's two of us to one, we've got the advantage of numbers.

Wu Shi: I guess... Be careful, okay?

Ji Hengsheng: Relax! I still haven't gotten my answer from you, Shi-chan, I'm not going to let anything happen to me that easily.

so what you're saying is that you need to leave our sight right before S appears
is that what i'm hearing, Ji Hengsheng??

Wu Shi: Okay.

Ji Hengsheng: Well then- see you in a bit!

oh my god that IS what you're saying huh

Wu Shi: ...Hengsheng.

Wu Shi: ...I'm so happy that you're here with me.

Ji Hengsheng: ........

um what's with this ominous screen,
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng freezes in her tracks.

Ji Hengsheng: ....uuuugh.

Ji Hengsheng: Don't say things like that to me without any warning!

Ji Hengsheng: Always saying these things that make me worry about you like that.

her expression turns to a smile.
hmmmmm!
avunvain
EVIL
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
I love how they think once they know who it is it will be ok
Zerovirus
i still think it's very sus, yeah.
ten minutes later, wu shi has moved to the train roof.
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
"don't worry once we know who it is... they huh... can still kill us?"
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avunvain
vade retro cutegirlsatana
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
it's almost too sus tbh
Zerovirus
Wu Shi's in a great mood.
avunvain
"yaaaaaay!"
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Wu Shi: I guess that's why people say that hard work beats talent, every single time!

Wu Shi: Even if you're not talented, as long as you keep trying over and over again, you're bound to succeed sooner or later.

dude you're counting your time chickens before they time hatch
Zerovirus

This time, I was prepared for S. I knew this was the time when he'd show up, and I'd stolen a pair of medical scissors from the infirmary to protect myself from him with. You couldn't call it a powerful weapon, exactly, but who knows- maybe it'd prove useful against S.

jjjqance
presumably S gets to try again and again too
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Come at me, S.

Wu Shi: i̸̮̎ ̷͌̀h̴̍̈́a̴͘͝v̵͌̚ë̸́̚ ̷̾̚ã̶̔b̶̂̏ã̸͐n̵͌̓d̵̈̃o̴̐̚n̴̓̓e̵̛͗ď̷͐ ̵̐̆m̵͋͝y̷͌͛ ̵̍̌h̴͊͠û̴̆m̶̍̐ä̵͊n̴͐͐í̷̕t̵͒̈́y̴̎͛

i don't
i, uh,
i don't think this is supposed to happen
oh god yep the game crashed AGAIN
what is WITH this game
every single time i boot it up it fucking crashes at least once before i can properly make any sort of headway
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jjjqance
maybe it's part of the meta-narrative
nightpool
i mean.... how could yu guang possibly already be dead? are we assuming wu shi just misunderstands how time travel works?
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Wu Shi is a retard
Zerovirus
wu shi seems to be not questioning S's statements, yeah
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
of course he misunderstands how time travel works
dude barely recognizes his friends
or have any coherent thought*
jjjqance
S's statements are flat out contradictory
nightpool
this is loop 3 right? I thought yu guang was only dead in loop 2
Zerovirus
yep, it's loop 3
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
frankly impressive he got this far even with the time loops
Zerovirus
but S has implied that everyone who dies as fuel stays dead through all time loops for good
which is, y'know,
contradictory with his own survival
wu shi being alive, that is
but wu shi isn't questioning it and is fully ready to believe it
even though it seems kind of impossible to imagine how that'd work on just a sheer physical level
anyways okay i loaded back in
Wu Shi says some platitudes about how this time he'll unmask S, for certain
nightpool

but S has implied that everyone who dies as fuel stays dead through all time loops for good

did S even imply that??? i definitely did not get that from what S said
Zerovirus
and then waits.
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S talked about nonreusability of fuel and wu shi seems to have interpreted it as 'people who get killed are dead...'
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jjjqance
S strongly emphasized that "fuel cannot be reused" while discussing Yu Guang's death
nightpool
And what Se Yue said in Loop 1 (2?) was Wu Shi was fated to die eventually, which is maybe even weirder.
Zerovirus
that is what she said, yeah!
loop 2, yeah
we're on loop 4 rn
nightpool
right
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
I hope this is one big ad for the hyperloop
Zerovirus
anyways, wu shi settles in and waits for S. he waits for a while. ...it seems that S has stood him up.
jjjqance
c'mon gotta wait for Ji to get into costume
nightpool
loop 1 - wu shi dies loop 2 - yu guang & wu shi dies loop 3 - qian yuan (????) & wu shi & (presumably... yu guang? did we ever get the cutscene here?) dies loop 4
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Wu Shi's confused about why S isn't appearing on time, but S calls him on his phone.

S: You just do not give up, do you.

Wu Shi: People who request meetings with me and stand me up don't get to criticize me, okay?

S: You set up a trap for me, didn't you? So I'd say we're even on that count.

......

How did he know?

Was he all-knowing or something like that?

Zerovirus
we've seen qian yuan's corpse in loop 4 so wu shi presumes that qian yuan was the fuel for going from loop 3 to 4. we have not seen yu guang's corpse on screen; i suspect wu shi is just assuming that yu guang is dead and actually yu guang is completely fine.
nightpool
i mean even if yu guang's corpse exists, it really does not prove that yu guang is dead, right?
it makes way more sense that the corpse came from the 13th car or something
i was asking if we ever saw the end-of-loop-3 cutscene where yu guang is in the dormitory with us, like we saw for loop 2
but no, we were knocked out the whole time
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Zerovirus
guy's really not doing very good at, like, seeking proof for his beliefs, or anything
anyways,
Wu Shi and S bicker for a while back and forth on the phone, not really getting anywhere.
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
S might kill Ji?
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S: Mere fuel should stop trying to meddle with things.

Wu Shi: I'm not just mere fuel. I've learned things now.

S: Oh? What have you learned, exactly?

Wu Shi: I've learned... the identity of 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐦𝐲.

aw fuck it's one of THESE. okay.

Me.

Ji Hengsheng.

Se Yue.

i gggguess we're picking one!!
i don't... think you've
actually
learned jack shit?
i'm pretty sure that all of your assumptions are completely wrong here?
but presumably one of these choices is 'correct' for some definition of correctness so
jjjqance
my feeling is Se Yue
Zerovirus
i don't know what the game wants wu shi to think rn because it's so obvious that ji hengsheng is S at this fucking point,
and if you approach it from the obviously right perspective none of these answers are even close because it assumes that S has enemies
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
boorriing
Zerovirus
which is a total fallacy to assume,
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
"me" sounds perfectly in character though
and Ji might make S kill her?
jjjqance
S didn't show up when he planned the trap with Ji so OBVIOUSLY Ji is the enemy
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
or S killed Ji
to punish Wu from trying to trap him
Zerovirus
okay let me explain what just happened over on my end
because something wild just happened
i clicked 'Me' first, because i had no fucking clue where this was going and i personally thought 'me' was most likely to be correct
it turned out Me was correct.
So I went, 'oh, neat, let me go back and see how S makes fun of us for getting it wrong'
so I loaded the save and clicked 'Se Yue'
avunvain
oh are they all corret
*correct
besides ji
Zerovirus

Your greatest enemy is Se Yue-

No, that's not the right answer.

screen flashes red, HP -1.

nope, it's a fucking lame 'wrong answer, pick another one' result
avunvain
damn
Zerovirus
well, shit, let me try Ji Hengsheng- another HP -1.
so not only have i not gotten any interesting scenes out of it,
but i've also lost 2 out of 5 hp.
i am not okay with that- what if i need all my hp to get the best ending?- so i decide to save-load again.
jjjqance
uh oh
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Are you wondering why your health hasn't come back after save-loading?

Wu Shi: Looks like you still don't understand the time-travel mechanisms of the Tour of Time...

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Wu Shi: No matter how many times you use these buttons to travel through time...

Wu Shi: 𝑯𝒂𝒓𝒎, 𝒐𝒏𝒄𝒆 𝒔𝒖𝒇𝒇𝒆𝒓𝒆𝒅, 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒅𝒊𝒔𝒂𝒑𝒑𝒆𝒂𝒓.

jjjqance
uhh
let's try to get things right from now on
!!
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: So... be more careful with your actions, okay?

okay, well, if this locks us out of the best ending i'm going to be pissed
i just wanted to see S make fun of us for being stupid ;_;
...actually, y'know what, no, fuck you, show me what happens if i waste all of my hp.
i'm not fucking scared of you.
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Yay called it
Zerovirus
i'll uninstall and reinstall the game if that's what i need to do.
i'll click through the first fourteen hours of this game all over again just to get back here.
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here we go, bad ending speedrun

Wu Shi: It's no good... The more I think, the more the wounds caused by repeatedly crossing through time are distorting my cognition...

This is beyond my ability to withstand...

Screen goes white.
jjjqance
guy died cause he had to think too hard
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Zerovirus

The overwhelming pressure caused you to sink into madness, and you ultimately lost your ability to take action.

hm!
well, that's Rail of Mobius, y'all.
thanks for reading my liveblog.
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(actually it just kicks you back to the title screen, where we are allowed to saveload as usual; we're stuck with three heart points now though apparently.)
Zerovirus
back to the main story! Wu Shi concludes that he is the greatest threat to S.
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Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
I mean that man could do anything
I would be worried if I was S too
jjjqance
Remember he's blessed by the time gods
Zerovirus

S: What makes you think that?

Wu Shi: Isn't it obvious? Somehow, despite being used as fuel, I've been able to both remain alive and retain my memories.

Wu Shi: I understand now that this is because the god of time has bestowed upon me the duty to stop your evil plans.

Wu Shi: As the Novikov self-consistency theory says, in order to prevent time paradoxes from occurring, there must exist a force in the universe that opposes the creation of time paradoxes to protect the integrity of the universe.

oh my god this is the most horrible butchering of novikov i've ever seen. LupoCani i'm so sorry.

Wu Shi: And now I understand that I am that force.

Wu Shi: You are a time traveler who is incessantly causing the universe to reset itself.

Wu Shi: That's why the god of time gave me the ability to retain my memories.

S: You're... sure that... these things are causally related??

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Wu Shi: Of course.

Wu Shi: Because I've kept my memories and will, I die painfully at the end of every loop.

Wu Shi: Avoiding that death inevitably puts me in conflict with your goal of prolonging the endless cycles.

Wu Shi: That's what makes me your enemy.

uhhhhhhhhh,
i honestly don't know what to say lol
this is incredibly dumb.
just, objectively, actually stupid.
JaxThePyro
yeah thats totally S's goal good job Wu Shi
Zerovirus
(S, mentally: god i hope the stupidity isn't genetic, i still want to have his kids and that's the worst thing here)
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S: ............

S: How frustrating.

S: That ability of yours to see straight to the truth of matters is really quite frustrating.

S: Was this the reason why the God of Time chose you to act as their avatar?

okay there is no fucking way S is serious right now
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i refuse to believe it
JaxThePyro
??????
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
He's playing Wu
Zerovirus
S was momentarily stunned into disbelief by Wu Shi's bullshit and then was like 'no, wait, i should encourage him, distract him from actually doing useful things that might actually stop me'
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
I really hope devs went full on Wu is stupid af
JaxThePyro
I love how he made up the God of Time actually 10 minutes ago and thats the first mention
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
I also love how Wu at the beginning just started calling S "S" when it was a random nickname he had given
jjjqance
Hold on though
jjjqance
He already told the theory to Ji right
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
He was already there before
jjjqance
So S shouldn't be newly dumbfounded
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Frankly every time I hear him say it I am dumbfounded
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Wu Shi: Oh, you're too kind. If that's why the God of Time chose me then all I can say is that the God of Time could use higher standards.

S: ............

S: Alright, let's take a step back. Let's suppose that everything you've said is the truth and that's why you're my greatest enemy.

S: What exactly do you think you could possibly do?

S: You're not afraid of doing something that results in the deaths of what few friends you have left?

Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
"What friends?" S (aka Ji) dies of a hezrt attack
Also Zero
Could you stop saying We when talking about Wu
I had rather not be included in his ... wisdom
I am too humble a servant of Time for this
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Wu Shi: Oh, no, I'm terrified, yeah.

S: ...So stop.

Wu Shi: I can't.

Wu Shi: If Yu Guang knew that I gave up on saving myself just because I was scared of you, he'd get up out of his grave to punch me in the face.

Wu Shi: And every time I think about resigning myself to death, I think about how Ji Hengsheng cried for me, and I find myself filled with resolve again.

Wu Shi: This is usually the part where a shonen protagonist gives an inspiring speech about never giving up, but I honestly can't find it within me to do that.

Wu Shi: This is just a really fucking shitty situation for me, you know? But if I'm in a situation like this already, I might as well pick the options that make my remaining friends cry less, if I can.

Zerovirus
just presume i'm using the royal we from now on lol

Wu Shi: I'm afraid of dying...

Wu Shi: But I'm more afraid of letting my friends down, than I am of dying.

S: ...............

Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Just how seriously is this game marketed?
Zerovirus

S: I suppose I understand, now.

S: So long as there's any sliver of hope, even if it's a tenth of a percent, that'll be enough to motivate you to keep fighting.

S: It looks like ordinary measures will not be sufficient to stop you.

Zerovirus
pretty seriously!
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honestly, i'm lampooning it pretty hard, but i would not describe this protagonist as much dumber than, say, the protags of zero escape
being locked in a deathgame catbox does things to your brain!
it's easy to point out all the flaws in the viewpoint character's reasoning when you're picking at everything they're failing to remember, and having a whole team of friends to crowdsource nitpicks with.
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
No but like dude is just dumb af
The decisions from the very begi.ning were idiotic
Zerovirus
oh here we go it's time for S to threaten Wu Shi with the death of Ji Hengsheng isn't it
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Like when he was tricking his best friend
Or stalking the princess
Or saying he was S worst enemy
Outside of gags I can t see a single acceptable decisions honestly 😅😂
Zerovirus
yyyyep, that is what is happening now. S is all like 'ha ha don't you think it's funny you haven't heard from your friend in a long time' and Wu Shi is like 'what do you mean......' and then Ji Hengsheng cries out- over the phone-

Ji Hengsheng: Shi-chan! Don't- don't come over here- mmmph!

So it looks like S has captured Ji Hengsheng as a hostage and gagged her! Classic 'threaten over the phone with voice of loved one' scenario, here.
(it's so fucking her, she's so totally the culprit oh my fucking god)
(it cannot get any more obvious at this point)
Zerovirus
i think that, what this game really suffers from, is... like, either it's underestimating its target audience, or it's trying to grab the general VN audience, or something. the game's not being nearly clever enough to beat out the collective intelligence of two or three people who're fluent in ontological mystery visual novel tropes.
Zerovirus
she was gagged
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that's what the 'mmmmph' part communicates
she got ungagged and then re-gagged immediately
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Wu Shi begs S not to do anything to Ji Hengsheng.

S: Too late for that.

S: I have to engrave despair deeply onto your heart.

S: Please firmly remember.

S: If you dare do anything in subsequent loops, then the same things will continue to happen to those that you hold dear.

Ji Hengsheng: AAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

Alongside the horrible sound of certain bones being snapped, Hengsheng let out a terrible scream that I could never have before imagined.

Wu Shi: What have you done?!

S: First comes the thumb.

holy fuck, if S is actually still Ji Hengsheng then she is fucking hardcore
in the universe where Ji Hengsheng is the culprit then she just snapped her own thumb to try to get Wu Shi to stop interfering with whatever's going on
it could be a corpse's finger or something but, like, wu shi's going to meet up with ji hengsheng eventually and if her fingers aren't broken it's going to be a real point of contention.
Zerovirus
S breaks two more fingers on Ji Hengsheng before Wu Shi is finally able to convince S that, no, he's going to listen to S now for reals
lupoCani
Explains why you find it cringe, I suppose.
(Sorry, typing on a phone is difficult and I shouldn't make fun of you for not being perfect at it. Had to take the shot, still.)
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Zerovirus
S shows up, then, right on time, with a syringe prepared.

S: Don't forget what you promised.

hm. fingers sure look fine.
maybe it was the other hand??
or maybe i'm completely wrong and S is actually not ji hengsheng at all.
i should possibly stop inserting my theories into the liveblog at every possible opportunity, it's probably going to biase the audience's theories.
(but i still think it's ji hengsheng and i am always correct 100% of the time on everything.)
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Wu Shi: You despicable bastard:

S: Hm. Still not quite the fully lifeless eyes I was hoping for.

S: Don't push your luck anymore.

S: You may retain your memories on each loop, but your friends sure don't. I could ambush them any time I felt like it.

S: Next time, I won't stop at fingers.

S: I'll start with whole limbs.

Wu Shi: I'LL KILL YOU IF YOU TRY!

S: As long as you don't interfere further, I won't need to take action on any of these promises.

lupoCani
(It's actually Alfric, who was established to own plague doctor masks in a recent chapter.)
Zerovirus
And then S injects us with a syringe again. Wu Shi considers fighting back- maybe if he got lucky he could push S off the train and kill them?- but in the end he elects not to risk it. What if he fails and S feels the need to make good on his promise?
Soooo he lets himself get sedated.
I guess we've gone and fucked up the fourth loop as well!
lupoCani
Correction - S is actually me, since I do in fact own a plague doctor's mask.
Zerovirus
spirally special effect, here we are again,
Wu Shi is not feeling particularly good! Now these are some real dead anime protag eyes.
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: ...Are you okay??

Wu Shi: .....

Wu Shi: ..I'm fine.

Ji Hengsheng's fingers were as pristine as ever. Nothing had happened to them.

Ji Hengsheng: WAH!

Ji Hengsheng: W-why did you grab my hands all of a sudden??

Ji Hengsheng: Everyone's watching!

Clutching onto her undamaged hands, I wanted to cry right then and there.

Ji Hengsheng: ...Wu Shi?

Wu Shi: ...Sorry, Hengsheng, but there's some-- things, I have to take care of. Please don't mind me, I'll be just a while.

Well, at least you aren't freaking out and pushing her away this time.
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Wu Shi heads back to the train as usual, while thinking about what he's going to do. He wants to figure out some way to find and stop S, of course- but he's afraid that if he does anything out of the ordinary, S will notice and immediately retaliate on Ji Hengsheng.

S: That's right.

S: You don't need to think about anything.

Somehow, as though he didn't want to give me any time to think about it, S had reappeared behind me, with a syringe in his hands.

S: An obedient puppet is all you have to be.

S: This way, you don't even have to experience the agony of your final death, and your friends won't be slaughtered by me, either. Isn't this the best way for things to go?

wait holy shit oh my god
that's RIGHT
S ONLY STARTED USING THE SYRINGE ON WU SHI AFTER WU SHI TOLD JI HENGSHENG OVER THE PHONE HOW PAINFUL DROWNING WAS AND MADE HER CRY
ITS HER ITS HER ITS ABSOLUTELY HER
SHE'S UNIRONICALLY DOING THIS AS A FUCKING MERCY OH MY GOD
jjjqance
She changed awfully quickly though
Into the uniform
Zerovirus
i mean, it was ten minutes
you can change in ten minutes easy
real question is where she's hiding the outfit- no, it's obviously in the 13th car, which is RIGHT NEXT to the 12th car and would in fact be the place ji hengsheng WENT when she split up from wu shi
jjjqance
But yes good observation
I think you're right
Zerovirus

His words in my ear were like poison.

S: Your choices aren't wrong.

S: This is... the best of all possible paths amongst all the branches.

An ice-cold syringe slid into my back, and I lost consciousness once more.

WOW
you're not even TRYING TO HIDE IT ANYMORE
holy shit, ji hengsheng
you just fucking walked up to him, started playing scary S stuff out of your phone, and then ganked him with a syringe
i mean nominally of course it could be any student on the train who took this opportunity, but let's be real it's got to be ji hengsheng
(if it really does somehow turn out to be that... random completely irrelevant girl npc, i will eat my- i will eat my glasses case.)
Zerovirus

Six, seven, eight- endless loops.

To make sure that I didn't forget, I took up the habit of walking to the thirteenth car and using the ring that Ji Hengsheng had gifted to me, to carve tally markings into it.

Incredibly enough, no matter the number of loops, these tallies didn't seem to disappear.

have you considered entering the thirteenth car, dude
it's right there
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jjjqance
Omg
Zerovirus
well, no, i guess he's officially given up on changing anything at this point
i suppose it's reasonable to expect that, if he went snooping again, S will start taking limbs off his girlfriend.
JaxThePyro
Is S just using random students as fuel at this point
Zerovirus
who knows? wu shi sure isn't looking.

Throughout all these loops, I did absolutely nothing.

I simply repeated the same rote actions procedurally- avoiding Ji Hengsheng for a few hours, carving the tallies on the thirteenth car, waiting in the infirmary, and finally accepting S's injection when he appeared at the appointed time.

Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Dude is a hecking cat
Zerovirus

Whatever was in the syringe, it was strong stuff.

As soon as I was injected with it, I lost all consciousness- not even waking up while I was being drowned.

I was sure that S just wanted to get me out of the way, because I was an unnecessary complicating factor.

But, ironically, it was only thanks to S's intervention that I was able to escape repeatedly experiencing the torment of death over and over.

avunvain
ji hengsheng just feels bad at this point
like
Zerovirus

In these endlessly repeating twelve hours, in order to protect my sense of self, I'd given up on thinking- but despite that, in the hours I spent waiting for S to show up, I still managed to discover a few things.

avunvain
come on, guy
Zerovirus
....hhhhuh.
interesting.
we've finally got
some evidence on
how this whole fuel business actually works.
while waiting in the infirmary, the one thing that Wu Shi does have the opportunity to observe,
is how the fuel piles up.
apparently, whenever someone's used as fuel, in the next loop, as soon as 0:00 December 3rd (i.e. the start of the loop) is reached,
everybody who was ever used as fuel
just drops over stone cold dead.
they 'fall asleep and never wake up and their bodies lose all temperature', specifically, are the observations that Wu Shi makes.
because they're in a concerning state, of course, they get sent to the infirmary.

And as the number of loops increased, the number of people lying in the infimary grew as well.

jjjqance
Does he observe the people dropping dead?
avunvain
does he see it happening — yeah same question
Zerovirus

As the number of people who disappeared during the final day of the trip increased to an unbelievable number, it finally became impossible to hide.

avunvain
this feels like...
losing the catbox
Zerovirus

A rumor began going around that there was a disease confined to the bottom of the sea, a disease named 'Lost Time Syndrome' which had a 100% fatality rate.

Zerovirus
it is unclear if he sees it with his own eyes; i would conservatively default to a 'no'.
presumably he's just- sitting in the infirmary the whole time.
but even then the question would be, like... who's BRINGING the kids in?
the maids?
S?
avunvain
ji hengsheng just hurtling through the train throwing syringes like kunai
Zerovirus
how are they being physically transported?
we haven't been told yet.
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
S would be super funny
jjjqance
Shouldn't he see them dropping dead at the bonfire....?
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Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Don t mind the bodies
Zerovirus
yeah that scene is- it's incredibly unclear just how many kids are at the bonfire at that point
nightpool
I'll be honest, I have no idea where this is going from here
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
They teleport to the infirmary of course??
Zerovirus
the story implies that most of the kids have gone back to the train at that point, it wasn't like they were being forced at gunpoint to stay outside the train or anything
jjjqance
Ah
avunvain
cut to loop (n) where Wu Shi is just kind of lying there while S struggles to haul him over piles of corpses
Zerovirus
but there were also enough kids for ji hengsheng to feel embarrassed about handholding
so who knows
maybe all the kids who're being used as fuel were already sleeping in the dormitory, like S is picking the kids who could most conveniently disappear at midnight
nightpool
what the fuck is ji doing
Zerovirus
so as not to cause a 'oh shit why did they just FALL OVER for no reason' scene
Zerovirus
some of the kids even syncretize the rumors together, and conclude that the Se family is behind this somehow. they start talking about how it must be the Se family that's gathering all the corpses, for an unspeakable plan of some kind.
nightpool
why won't she just talk to him
Zerovirus
i holy shit wow there was a really cool animated scene that just happened
where the body bag opens
and every frame is like a different character portrait
and of course it goes through all the characters we know
but also, like, five different OTHER high-schoolers that haven't shown up a single fucking time in this show
one of them had, like, bakugou hair except black with red streaks
another guy had fluffy curly hair and a big round nose and was overweight
just, random nameless side characters
given whole character illustrations
to the same level of detail as the main characters
jjjqance
Chang You?
nightpool
all the characters except Ji, presumably?
Zerovirus
i'm actually going to rewind just so i can rewatch that scene
rapid clicking no jutsu, go
Zerovirus
hm. a recording of it shows that five was a slight overestimation. but all of these are just- random npcs we've never met, yeah.
it actually didn't show anybody we knew at all
these are ALL faceless NPCs
Benedict
wait, no, one of those is chang you, isn't it?
the first one?
Zerovirus
yeah the first one is
avunvain
oh my god i lost my bet, chang you doesn't matter at all, does she
nightpool
that first frame kind of looks like -
okay everyone else said it
avunvain
unless this is another trick
nightpool
fucking. incredible
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Chang confirmed NPC
What if they faked their deaths
Zerovirus
Wu Shi just resigns himself to enjoying what moments of the loop he can- specifically, the moments he gets to spend with Ji Hengsheng at the very start of the loop, while averting his eyes from what's happening in the infirmary over time.
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Aoso wasn t his bestie suppsoed to have been used as fuel ??
Why is he not showing up??
Zerovirus

But, foolish as I was, I didn't think at all about what would happen if this continued- just what kind of horrible future would unfold before me.

Or, rather, what kind of horrible past.

nightpool
presumably he's just. already there
and we're not seeing him because he's not new
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Why would he be there earlier?
Benedict
"they wouldn't draw a whole portrait for a totally unimportant side NPC!"
Zerovirus
wwwweeee are on loop forty-seven, now.
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JaxThePyro
lol half the train is gone
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
47 students are dead ahahah
nightpool
because he died in the third loop and as far as we can tell that means he drops unconscious in all subsequent loops
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Choo choo
nightpool
46 students and qian yuan
Zerovirus
46, actually, yeah, that means that 46 people have been used as 'fuel' now.
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Uzing srudents like fvking coals
nightpool
and maybe some other maids
Zerovirus
the fuel count is 1 less than the loop count
since loop 1 is the 'original' timeline and thus free
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
Lots of assumptions here sir
What if our reality is powered by the sacrifice of students?
nightpool
sure, this is all just "assuming S hasn't been lying to us about the fuel and then faking everybody dropping unconscious"
which to be fair she's already been shown to be able to do
... this is the worst surprise party ever
Zerovirus
we're back at the bonfire again.

Ji Hengsheng: If you want, I'd like to... become real family with you.

Wu Shi: ....Sorry, but I-

Ji Hengsheng: ........

holy fuck is this actually 'i want to loop until you say you want to marry me' please tell me that's not what this is please have a better reason for murdering like almost fifty people, ji hengsheng
nightpool
it cannot be that
Zerovirus
OH SHIT JI HENGSHENG JUST COLLAPSED
jjjqance
If thats her goal, she shouldn't have told him to do the same thing each loop
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Zerovirus
THE FROWN WASN'T YANDERE IT WAS 'I AM ABOUT TO COLLAPSE FOR SOME REASON'
Benedict
welp
nightpool
oh no
jjjqance
Omg
Benedict
her turn on the fuel carousel
or, like
probably faking it being her turn on the fuel carousel
nightpool
maybe se yue took over the looping
jjjqance
Oops, he has nothing to lose now
Zerovirus

I looked at her face- and found that it was pale like a corpse's.

Wu Shi: H-how could...

How could I be so foolish?

Why didn't I think of such a basic and obvious thing?

jjjqance
Pretty in character tbh
nightpool
well, we didn't think of it because we know she's S
Zerovirus
oh my god so they DO have rando portraits for EVERYONE

Ol' Wang: AAAAAAAHHHH!

Li Kong: WAAAAAAHHHHHH!

oh my fucking god
EVERYBODY HAS A FACE
WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE A FACE?!
nightpool
Ol' Wang
Zerovirus
WHY AREN'T YOU MISSING YOUR FACES?!
jjjqance
So we can't guess who the villain is based on who has a portrait
nightpool
I like how this one dude is masked
Zerovirus
the vernacular equivalent of 'john smith the generic name' in this case yeah
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Everyone who'd been afflicted by the so-called 'Lost Time Syndrome' fell to the floor simultaneously. Such an abnormal situation spooked my classmates, who fled instantly.

oh wow so
yeah
we have
just
seen
a bunch of students
collapse to the floor magically
i GUESS THAT'S REAL!
i guess they weren't lying to us about that!
jjjqance
Shouldn't this have bee happening for several loops now?
Zerovirus
possibly. maybe he just... didn't care because it wasn't ji hengsheng.
jjjqance
But like it'd disrupt their engagement still
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: What... have I been doing?

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nightpool
does this mean it's. not. ji hengsheng
Zerovirus
fuck, it might
actually mean that
i cannot reconcile this with ji culprit theory
nightpool
we've been had
Zerovirus
despite how well it fits in every single other possible way
nightpool
duped!
Zerovirus
but then i mean who the fuck is it???
i guess we haven't seen se yue??
nightpool
se yue
Zerovirus
and- okay, maybe it could be se yue
jjjqance
Wu Shi
Zerovirus
se yue handed us our phones so she could be surveilling us
jjjqance
It's Wu Shi
Zerovirus
so she could have heard us talk about how painful it was to die
and she also is a viable cute-girl-who-we-could-maybe-date-and-who-might-tsuntsun-for-us
nightpool
"alt/older wu shi" is my prevailing theory though
Zerovirus
so she MIGHT also want to spare us the pain of death
or it could be alternate wu shi i guess but
nightpool
although you're right that doesn't necessarily line up with the change in death type
Zerovirus
like if it was alternate wu shi he'd have started doing the syringe thing asap wouldn't he
nightpool
but you can solve anything that way by just describing it as a random fixed point due to the actual novikov
maybe he needed to freak out for the first few iterations just to communicate how serious it was
and the ji hengsheng thing was just coincidental? didn't we actually tell her twice before the drowning stopped?
fuck it's gotta be ji though
.... maybe there are two ji hengshengs
Zerovirus
god, i'm almost at that point too
but, like, come on. twins? really?
nightpool
the whole rejection scene and make up afterwards makes no sense if ji isn't the culprit
Zerovirus
that's the best blue truth we've got now?
avunvain
It’s drugs in the food
avunvain
Sedatives, maybe, prepped pre loop
Like. We did have that examine all food montage
nightpool
it needs to change each loop though
jjjqance
Oh wait no your right
He baits yu Guang, tells Ji, then drowns in the car with Yu Guang
But he didn't tell Ji how much drowning sucks?
avunvain
The food examining fun time happened before loop start
Iirc
Zerovirus
...it can't be se yue because we SEE S smash se yue in the back of the head, not unless we want to assume that there's an accomplice pretending to be S- which, fuck, there could totally be, couldn't there? se yue is the one person MOST likely to have an accomplice on this whole train.
but that makes no dramatic sense!
nightpool
right but the number of students needs to change over ~40 loops
Zerovirus
the obvious person who had control over the environment is the true culprit?
avunvain
Oh yeah
Zerovirus
se yue, who prepared the food, put small drugs in the food??
avunvain
Dang
Zerovirus
it's too obvious!
Zerovirus
yeah, but, like, hard to imagine how a hallucination smashes se yue with an iron pipe
avunvain
Reverting to small bomb syringe theory
jjjqance
He's been putting markings on the car
Zerovirus
unless we're doing 'wu shi has a split personality theory'
nightpool
multiple personalities
jjjqance
Do the markings go all the way back to the beginning of the trip?
Zerovirus
and that doesn't explain ji hengsheng's fingers being snapped- though we didn't SEE her fingers being snapped
avunvain
Seeming more and more likely
Zerovirus
did we just IMAGINE S threatening us with snapping her fingers??
and none of that even at all happened?!
nightpool
zero you've gotta keep reading
that's our only hope now
Zerovirus
yeah
yeah i need to keep reading
avunvain
YouTube tab of redwood being felled
jjjqance
So much for the mystery being too easy
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Zerovirus
oh my fucking god what the fuck,
nightpool
it's another chuuni monologue isn't it
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about the god of time
Zerovirus
so, Wu Shi has, like, a freakout about how he's wasted all his opportunities and now Ji Hengsheng is dead and there's no way ever to get her back because people who die are killed or whatever
he's all like, 'it's too late now, i can't do anything anymore, what's the point,'
and then, the screen goes black, and,

𝐈𝐭'𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐭𝐨𝐨 𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞.

JaxThePyro
its the God of Time!!!
Zerovirus
GOD OF TIME THEORY IS REAL????
FUCK
IT'S NOT REAL
WITCH OF UNDERSEA HYPERLOOPS IS REAL
YOU'RE STILL NOT DEAD???
WHY WOULD S NOT GO AFTER YOU FIRST??
nightpool
because she's S
Zerovirus

Se Yue: Tell me everything you know

Wu Shi: B-but...

Se Yue: Have you forgotten who I am?

Se Yue: I am the heir of the Se Family and the one esteemed as the princess.

avunvain
The Endless Witch Arrives
Zerovirus

Se Yue smiles and reaches a hand out to me.

Se Yue: If even I can't save you, then nobody can save you.

...this is a bizarre place to put that callback.
jjjqance
The fuck
Zerovirus

Se Yue: I do not make mistakes, for I am the representative of the entire Se family.

Se Yue: Even if I did, I would use everything at my disposal to turn things back to their proper path.

Se Yue: So- hand it all over to me.

Se Yue: Allow me to be your savior.

we're goin' to the first car, the VIP bedroom.
...wu shi has made no reaction to the whole callback thing at ALL.
did he just not notice? or is he waiting to bring it up?
alright, let's see what you've got for us then
the meidos take Ji Hengsheng to the infirmary car.
....hm.
it...
could be faked.
she COULD have, injected HERSELF with some kind of- fake death syringe X?
in order to... create the alibi??
we didn't check her BREATHING, we just saw her face go pale and caught her as she fell over and assumed, after all.
jjjqance
What callback?
nightpool
it could definitely be faked
Zerovirus
the words 'if even I cannot save you, then nobody could save you' are the words said by the person who saved wu shi from the fire a year ago.
the guy who died in the fire.
nightpool
callback to the time he was saved from a burning building by a mysterious savior he couldn't see
Zerovirus
supposedly.
which is- what a bizarre moment to put that here?
what is the correlation? what do you know, witch??
anyways, Se Yue drags us into her room and posts guards at the entrance, so as to prevent undesired visitors from forcing their way in.
It's just us and Se Yue in this room alone now.
nightpool
well I'll admit the fact that he hasn't even talked to se yue again after 50 loops does really put weight behind "let other people help you with your problems" being the moral
jjjqance
Dang
Zerovirus
Wu Shi asks her how she could tell he was looping, and Se Yue says, "are you kidding? have you SEEN your own expression? your expression is filled with a kind of resigned absolute despair completely different from the panic all the other students are being driven by."
"I'm good at reading expressions, okay? Basic skill for a heiress, come on."
We finally come completely clean to Se Yue and tell her about everything that happened over all 47 loops.
nightpool
FINALLY DEAR GOD
I mean to be fair Ji could still be S and have used herself as fuel straightforwardly
Zerovirus

Se Yue: I... see.

She sits down and absentmindedly pushes a lock of her silvery hair back over her shoulder.

Se Yue: So, there exists an 'S', and they're most likely someone under the employment of the Cesium Corporation.

She starts munching on the sweet biscuit straw snacks on the table as she continues to think out loud.

okay she's pulling an L huh
jjjqance
It would be cool if turns out that Ji went investigating cause of the deaths and forced S's hand into killing her
nightpool
actually here's a better question: why did the beginning of the loop time change between loop 1 and 2
nightpool
or 2 and 3
he woke up at the beginning of the game after being drowned
and we had the whole first day & seeing the 13th car
Zerovirus
well- lemme save and double-check,
nightpool
that was the first or second loop. whichever.
Zerovirus
goin' back to the main menu to rewatch the start quickly and oh hey another new title screen
jjjqance
If she steals his heart I'm gonna be mad
Zerovirus
i llllost my internet again
but i went back to the start and checked, and it wasn’t a loop, just nonlinear storytelling
we see the scene of him dying in loop 1 and he has flashbacks to it, but as far as the story is concerned he only starts the loop at the end of dec 2nd
nightpool
it has to be the first loop, because he had that big headache, right?
Zerovirus
i.e. when he gets hit with the whole package at the same time
nightpool
migraine and flashback and 13th car
Zerovirus
right, yeah, but that happens in every dec 2nd preceding the start of the loop i think
nightpool
hmm
Zerovirus
he doesn’t get more flashbacks at that scene as the loop count increases- is what i imagine?
oh i'm back online

Se Yue: ...In any of these preceding loops, did you consult me for help or advice?

...Did 'pretending to be S to get information out of you' count as 'consulting' you?

Se Yue: Judging by your expression, I guess that's a no.

Se Yue: No wonder things have gotten as bad as they have now.

GEE YA THINK?

She sighed deeply, and, as though to push back her annoyance with me, shoved a whole three biscuit straws into her mouth at once.

nightpool
based
Zerovirus

Se Yue: ...I notice that you can't help but pay attention to these.

She waggles another biscuit straw in the air.

Se Yue: You see, I am quite up to date with the trends of you average high school students. I am given to know that these are popular snacks for your social and economic demographic.

Se Yue: Do I not look the exact image of an average high-school student as I consume these high-calorie junk-food confections with wild abandon for my health?

...No, uh, those snacks are more often eaten by little kids than teenagers...

nightpool
I mean I will admit I've been on se yue's side since the beginning
Zerovirus

Se Yue: I have quite taken a liking to these confections, as it happens. I think they fit my aesthetic quite superbly, in fact. Don't you agree?

Uh, no, I, uh, really can't say I do.

jjjqance
Tell her she's fat
Zerovirus

It's like seeing someone in an expensive Armani suit eating at a street vendor's grill.

Wu Shi: Y... yeah... you look... exactly like an ordinary high-schooler.

Se Yue, apparently gratified, picks up another biscuit straw, this time from- oh my god, did she have her maids arrange them into a lotus pattern on that ten-thousand-yuan silver platter?

Wu Shi: You know what, I should really apologize to you.

Se Yue: What for?

Wu Shi: I was a fool to ever imagine that somebody like you could ever possibly have been S or an accomplice to S.

Zerovirus

Se Yue: Uh, I'm happy to hear that you've accepted me as an ally, but, what made you decide to accept me all of a sudden?

Wu Shi: It's not you I'm accepting, it's the you that's holding a biscuit straw like an expensive cigar I'm accepting.

Se Yue: Is that so?

Se Yue regards her biscuit straws again with renewed focus.

Se Yue: I have truly underestimated the power inherent within these fragile straws.

nightpool
ahahahahahaha
oh God
Zerovirus

Se Yue: If I could channel the power within these delicacies, I could perhaps even develop a technology that allows me to make friends-

Wu Shi: We are going to change topics, right now.

jjjqance
Omg
She needs socialization bad
nightpool
okay so. here's what happens. we devise with Se Yue a plan to save ourselves from dying
and then we go back in time to tell Ji to carry it out in
..... in an unnecessarily gruesome and murder-y way?
idk dude
Zerovirus
Wu Shi gets the conversation back on topic. He asks her if she has some kind of way to find out who S is, since it has to be one of her employees, right?
jjjqance
Track their phone
Zerovirus
Se Yue doesn't think that she has any way to find S. Afterall, 'S' has had 46 timelines worth of time to figure out a way to cover up their tracks.

Se Yue: I'm very special and capable, but I can't stand up to a time-traveler. It's like playing a game of chess, except for every one move I make, my opponent can make fifty or even a hundred moves.

Se Yue: The only one who can match a time-traveler in such a game is another time-traveler- someone such as you.

jjjqance
Finally a time loop story where the antagonist is way better at long than the protagonist
Zerovirus

Se Yue: So, in order to equip you with the best chances for success, I'm going to tell you everything I know about the Tour of Time.

Se Yue: Starting from the things you already know.

jjjqance
woohoo
Zerovirus
She gets out a whiteboard and starts writing down rules.

1: The Tour of Time is a time machine that was invented by Se Yue.

2: The method of time travel is as follows: Place a deceased person within the 13th train car.

3: Every time time is reversed, 'one corpse' must be used as fuel.

4: Fuel used once cannot be reused.

5: Those who have been used as fuel will, at the start of the loop, suffer 'Lost Time Syndrome', and perish immediately.

Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Girl, your time machine is fucked up.

Se Yue: I know. I didn't meant to invent a time machine that needed human sacrifice to operate either, I promise you.

Se Yue: These costs are entirely and unfortunately incidentally necessary.

Se Yue: Let me ask you a question- do you think that 'time' is an absolute and immutable thing?

Wu Shi, who has literally traveled through time and changed time, like, fifty times at this point: Yeah, isn't that obvious? Time is immutable and unchangeable.

jjjqance
...
Zerovirus
....Se Yue is giving the monologue at the beginning of the game. You know, the one about how the definition of a second changes because it's a definition created by humans.
word for word.
go reread that if you want to hear what she's saying to Wu Shi right now.
Zerovirus
Ending on the 'where can the 'true' time be found?' quote.
Se Yue, having overwhelmed Wu Shi's peanut brain with rhetoric, then proceeds to offer her own definition of 'time'.
jjjqance
"people can measure time differently" -> "people can set back time"
ok
Zerovirus

Se Yue: 'All humanity's shared experience of time', compounded together, becomes the true time.

nightpool
well to be fair she's said she isn't setting it back
Zerovirus
if you say a single thing involving cats or quantums or observer effects i will scream
nightpool
she's adding more time somehow
jjjqance
oh is it like MoL
nightpool
she's... taking the time the person would have experienced and using it to power another loop?
Zerovirus

Se Yue: Some people are in the past, some people are in the present, some people are in the future.

Se Yue: By compounding and averaging everybody's perception of time together, we get the 'time' that everybody knows of.

Wu Shi is very impressed by Se Yue's giant nerd brain.
jjjqance
omg what if Wu Shi has super powers because some stranger gifted him a bunch of extra time when he almost died
JaxThePyro
In order to average everyone’s perception of time, we obviously have to murder someone or something
jjjqance
he got all the time saved up that was lost from the person who sacrified themselves
Zerovirus

Se Yue: ...why are you looking at me like that?

Wu Shi: I'm sorry, I've become distracted by your giant b-

Se Yue: Do NOT finish that sentence.

Wu Shi: -BRAIN! I SWEAR I MEANT TO SAY BRAIN!

(this exchange did not actually exist but it could totally exist couldn't it) (the actual exchange is one where Wu Shi just looks at her chest and gets away with it.) (which is so much more lame.) (let me translate your VNs into unrecognized butchered mockeries please it'll be so much fun)
jjjqance
waitseriously
god im glad ur translating
nightpool
wait how does he get away with it
jjjqance
translating from VN schlop to beautiful prose worthy of being shared on the flower server
Zerovirus
Wu Shi then has an internal monologue scene where he comes to a realization- that his impression of Se Yue was negative, at the very start, because he was subconsciously comparing himself to her (because of that whole self-value complex he has going on), and finding himself inferior,
and thus being jealous of her for being so smart and cool and good at everything.
jjjqance
ok i mean uh she's smart yeah
Zerovirus
But now that he has acknowledged this to himself, he has faced his shadow and gained the mask that allows one to endure their everyday hardships and unlocked his persona or whatever
go self-actualization!
nightpool
that seems like..... entirely accurate and stunningly mature introspection? Dude? Wu Shi are you feeling okay.
what happened to this god of time stuff.
Zerovirus

Se Yue, unaware that the guy in front of him has just undergone a major paradigm shift: Now that I've recapped all that I can finally get into the actual hows of the Tour of Time.

Wu Shi: ...What is this?

nightpool
come ON dude you're the train nerd
Zerovirus
it's cute, is what it is!
nightpool
that was your one (1) piece of characterization
Zerovirus

Se Yue: The Tour of Time? I thought I drew it quite clearly.

Wu Shi: No, I'm pretty sure what you've drawn here is a caterpillar-

Se Yue: This is the Tour of Time.

Wu Shi: Uh-

Se Yue: This is the Tour of Time.

nightpool
hard to tell the difference between characterization and plot enforced idiot ball, there
Zerovirus

Se Yue: As the heiress of the Se family, I have of course been trained in classical visual arts.

nightpool
didn't they already have this joke
Zerovirus

Se Yue: Clearly, the deficit here is in your lack of exposure to art criticism.

jjjqance
i'm assuming this exchange is completely made up by zero
nightpool
I'm not
Zerovirus
no yeah i mark everything i make up
nightpool
it would be funnier if zero made it up
Zerovirus
i occasionally summarize things in quicker single-line abridgements but i've tried my best to make it clear where i'm making shit up for lols
cute...
Se Yue finally starts explaining stuff, though. According to her, everything here is part of the time machine- not just the train, but also the hyperloop, the stations, everything.
Zerovirus

Se Yue: These things are necessary:

Se Yue: The undersea enclosed space, the environment with a relatively low number of people, and the track where the beginning and end overlap. These three things, plus the train itself, make up the time machine.

Zerovirus
Apparently, this is all to create a 'virtual world' where the train is the entirety of the world. I'm really hoping that she's using 'virtual' here to mean 'constructed/artificial' and not to mean 'digital/computerized/the matrix', because i cannot fucking handle another game where that's the twist
JaxThePyro
You die in the time loop you die in real life
Oh wait
Zerovirus

Se Yue: Since time is made up of the subjective perception of time by everybody within the 'world', with a smaller world and far fewer people, it becomes possible to directly control the perception of time, and thus time itself.

It did seem more practical when she put it that way. You couldn't possibly hope to realistically control the perceptions of all seven billion people in the world, but if you could shrink the world, a hundred people seemed decently controllable for an organization as powerful as Cesium.

jjjqance
i guess you don't actually die in real life if you aren't used as fuel??
Zerovirus
i feel like i'm losing brain cells just translating this
you have no idea how hard it is to translate this word mash into something that even remotely sounds plausible
the original chinese is just like- it reads like some kid is Capitalizing words that bear Great Significance a Lot all the Damn Time
nightpool
thank you for your service
Zerovirus
more word mash coming oh my god.
jjjqance
at least it hasn't mentioned schrodinger yet
nightpool
don't jinx it
Zerovirus

Se Yue: Nevertheless, it's not easy to change the perceptions of even a single person.

Se Yue: So, we don't start with the operators.

Se Yue: Rather, that's where the fuel comes in.

Se Yue: Generally speaking, most people perceive time in much the same way, except for one category of person.

Se Yue: That category is, 'a dead person'.

Se Yue: There is an irreplaceable quality to the time-perception of the fuel, since nobody else in the world has the unique quality that the fuel does, of being dead.

Se Yue: That's the quality I've set my eyes on.

Se Yue: By using the dead, whose experience of time has come to a halt, we can change the definition of time.

none of this makes any fucking sense and at this point i can't tell if it's because the underlying concepts don't make sense or if i'm running into reading comprehension errors. it could VERY well be the second. this reads like a crystal magic age of aquarius hallucination.
OH here's a useful actionable datum
apparently, there's a button behind the Cesium crests that, when pressed, summons the 13th train car to the train.
(fuck, so you're really telling me ANYBODY with access to a crest could have done it?? is that what you're saying?)

Se Yue: Afterwards, by loading the dead person into the car, and shouting the activation phrase to this crest, the time machine will activate.

JaxThePyro
Lmao it’s voice activated???
Zerovirus
there's a password, is what she's getting at, yeah
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: We must destroy all of the control crests immediately. Give the maids an order to gather them all up and-

Se Yue: Can't. Time laws. Novikov consistency literally makes the crests invincible.

i'm abridging a bit here but that's basically what they said.

Wu Shi: What the fuck?

Se Yue, shaking her head sadly at Wu Shi's lack of Time Wisdom: One day you'll understand.

jjjqance
wtf
JaxThePyro
Couldn’t they still gather them up and throw them off the moving train?
jjjqance
aren't the crests just like radio or something???
Zerovirus
no yeah that's actually what he said- her response was like,
'any attempt to remove the crests from the scenario will find them returned to the scenario.'
jjjqance
they're like ... intrinsically tied to the time machine???
Zerovirus
i guess we're at the level of, like, absolute fate control or some shit here
you throw a crest and it bounces back and hits you in the head or some shit??
Zerovirus
the phones are radio, the crests are different
up till now they've been entirely decorative, actually
jjjqance
RIP novikov we hardly knew ye
Zerovirus
this is the first time anyone's brought up the crests doing anything
Anyways, Se Yue refuses to tell us what the password is, on the grounds that it's a family secret. She does tell us that, in the Se family, only two people know the password.
jjjqance
the password is "butts"
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: So what you're telling me is you do know who S is,

Wu Shi: Because obviously you're one of those who know the password,

Wu Shi: And so the other person who knows, who isn't you, is S. Case closed.

Se Yue: ...Qian Yuan's already dead. Can't be her.

Wu Shi, internally: oh shit I am SO SORRY I should not have brought that up, fuck.
...this IS a real pickle though
so there's a voice command needed to activate the time machine
it's not qian yuan, it's probably not se yue- it could be but i mean if it were, se yue wouldn't be EXPLAINING jack shit to us right now
no matter who the culprit is, the question is, how did they learn the command??
and i can't really think of any clues for THAT.
nightpool
obviously we gave it to them
JaxThePyro
The chump answer is brute force guessing/reverse engineering the hardware
jjjqance
... time shenanigans?
Zerovirus

Se Yue: Furthermore, I can tell you with absolute certainty that Qian Yuan would never choose to use the time machine again.

Wu Shi: I'm sorry, again?

Se Yue: That's right. Again.

Se Yue: She used it once. In fact, she's the only person that's ever used it, before all of this. I built the machine for her.

nightpool
alternatively they tortured it out of qian yuan in the first loop
Zerovirus
THE COMPLICATIONS COMPLICATE
Wu Shi remembers that Se Yue told him, all the way back when he was pretending to be S, that she'd never used the time machine herself before.
nightpool
hey is that the sound of my loyal knight / devoted princess ship
jjjqance
hmmmm
JaxThePyro
What can this time machine do that’s actually useful?
jjjqance
what could you actually accomplish with the time train
nightpool
presumably save wu shi from dying
....... somehow
jjjqance
if something bad happened in Qian Yuan's life, it doesn't sound like this setup would be able to reverse it
nightpool
since it can't "change the perceptions of" people outside of the hyperloop
jjjqance
also wu shi's accident was after the train was built
nightpool
true
jjjqance
maybe if you needed to have a risky surgery
Zerovirus
Wu Shi also remembers... how, S ambushed Se Yue in the infirmary car, striking her in the back of the head with a metal pipe, and how they took something from Se Yue's pocket immediately after doing so.
jjjqance
you'd want multiple tries
Zerovirus
But wasn't that the... third loop? That was the loop where we tried to trick Se Yue into thinking we were S.
That couldn't have been where they got the voice command, right?
nightpool
thir... d?
second?
Zerovirus
the third loop according to the game, i.e. the second time we actually loop, i think?
it wasn't the first, in the first one we climb on top of a train car, call yu guang, and then get ganked
the next time is the one where we try to trick se yue isn't it
nightpool
yeah that tracks
jjjqance
we should probably keep notes
lupoCani
Why are we approaching this mystery with more diligence than Flower itself?
jjjqance
i mean
i've also made notes for flower
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Wwwwait.

Wu Shi: If the culprit attacked Se Yue to gain access to her crest, the crest that's necessary to control the time machine...

(oh, so, wait, so, actually, ONLY se yue's crest has admin privileges?? it's not every crest, it's JUST her own crest? that changes things.)

Wu Shi: Then that means... that, to keep the loop going, the culprit has to come after the princess, sooner or later.

Wu Shi: Which means... We need to run, young mistress!

But before I could do anything, the sound of a huge impact shook the door to the bedroom off its hinges.

lupoCani
Or are you having detailed notes-comparing useful conclusion-drawing conversation in <#856368261633409065>?
Zerovirus
it's honestly because this mystery is far simpler than flower
less people to keep track of
smaller cast, less hypothesis space, more likeliness we'll actually get it right
jjjqance
yeah there are like 5 characters
Zerovirus
there's far fewer notes we have to take, to essentially note everything significant
whereas flower is a terrifying monolith lol
nightpool
which makes it more challenging and rewarding to climb of course
Zerovirus
yep
nightpool
but I've never been much of a mystery solver anyway
Zerovirus
anyways, uh... se yue interposes herself between S and us, and tells us to run. she gets ganked for her trouble- one bloody iron pipe to the neck, and she's down.
but before she expires, she hands us her family crest, and tells us to take it and run.
jjjqance
god damn we still haven't discussed why Wu Shi gets to loop
Zerovirus
well, great. now we've got S's aggro locked on us permanently.
nightpool
go check to see if Ji is still "dead"
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: You DUMBASS!

Seeing her there on the floor, I couldn't help it- in my mind, the indistinct silhouette of the firefighter who saved her, and Se Yue's image, merged into one.

Wu Shi: Why would you do that to yourself just to save me?!

Se Yue: ...What... a silly question?

Se Yue: Protecting... those who you can protect... is natural, isn't it?

Wu Shi: WHAT IF HE USES YOU AS FUEL?!

Se Yue: That's not... a reason... to not save you, isn't it?

Se Yue: I am the princess of the Se family... and each and every one of my actions represents the honor of the Se family........

and then S double-taps Se Yue, in the skull. Actually, fuck, make that, like, a dectuple tap. S is REALLY going hard at it.

Wu Shi: STOOOOP IIIIT!

S: Your turn.

jjjqance
why HASN'T S used Su Yue as fuel yet
she seems like a huge threat right
there must be a reason
nightpool
probably because she's important in some way
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Zerovirus

S: Gimme that pokemon badge, I need it to enter Victory Road.

S: Hand over the crest.

JaxThePyro
Honestly, S’s most impressive skill is having prerecorded messages for every situation
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Zerovirus
Wu Shi makes yet another futile effort to get S to tell him their goal, as if S is going to fess up if he asks frequently enough and angrily enough.
nightpool
I assumed they were using some sort of TTS
Zerovirus

S: I want to master the secrets of time and break the laws of causality.

S: You don't need to understand, and you oughtn't understand.

S applies iron bar to our forehead.
We die.
Time resets.
loop 48~!
we REALLY should have run.
though, well, not much point, really.
i mean, we don't have the password.
if we had the password, we could do something, maybe go back in time and try to outfox S.
back at the bonfire, on our 48th loop.
aaaaand, i think, i am going to call it for tonight.
...a lot of shit sure has happened.
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i guess Se Yue culprit theory is decisively out the window
jjjqance
gotta figure out how Ji got the password
Zerovirus
S, uh, sort of, smashed Se Yue into hamburger, according to the text.
i... cannot imagine Se Yue would have opted to die that painfully, if she were somehow the mastermind with an S accomplice.
S has plenty of syringes.
It's really like S has a grudge against Se Yue. (it's ji being a yandere about se yue stealing her boyfriiiiiend)
jjjqance
maybe someone stole the password because Su Yue reveals shit when she thinks aloud when she thinks she's alone
nightpool
that's true that is a known character trait