Part 12

Zerovirus
in fact y'know what, since we're here, lets run through some more of the game. TIME TO RESUME RAIL OF MOBIUS, EVERYONE
the game's basically signaling that we're almost at the end
so let's push through
here we are on the title screen! goodbye S, hello wu shi and ji hengsheng looking sad.
so last time i mentioned this was apparently a final exam the game was giving us
well, here we go

Who is it that can save everything?

Se Yue

Ji Hengsheng

i'm not sure
what exactly the game wants us to say here.
jjjqance
They both did the same thing
Zerovirus
my personal theory here is that the game's about to take us on the endless repeated-metalooping strategy to lengthen the train
like if there was a button that said 'us, we're going to save everyone' then i'd hit that instantly
but without such a choice
i'm guessing the game wants us to go to se yue and tell her to loop
and then to alternate between going to ji hengsheng and se yue
or something?
idk.
jjjqance
Yeah
But that requires both
Zerovirus
yeah, and i have- i don't know what the game is really asking here.
luckily there's no hearts here so
i guess
i'll just pick one and try it??
jjjqance
I'm going to be really mad if it's like Se Yue because she can invent better time travel mechanics or sonething
Zerovirus
god, same
so i clicked Se Yue

I brought Ji Hengsheng before Se Yue.

Wu Shi: ...And that's the long and short of it.

Wu Shi tells Se Yue everything.
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Please assist me.

Wu Shi: Don't let Hengsheng put herself into the endless loops of hell again.

I wasn't sure if she'd believe me or not, though. After all, in this universe, I was just a stranger to her.

Luckily, an unexpected third party intervened to help me.

Qian Yuan: Mistress.

Qian Yuan: I believe that Wu Shi speaks the truth.

Qian Yuan: I've been through the same thing myself, and the events he describes are identical to my own experience.

Zerovirus
Se Yue agrees. She also asks why Wu Shi would think she'd help him. Wu Shi responds by saying that of course she would; that's her defining character trait, that sense of noblesse oblige, that she's demonstrated over and over again in the past 148 loops.
Se Yue gives... the same speech she gave to us at the bonfire during the 46th and 47th loops of the 13th train car, when she declared her intent to save us. At this point it's more than a little ominous to hear her say those things, frankly.
Screen fades to black and- oh hey look it's the loop special effect
Looping happened! Se Yue, presumably, took ownership of the time machine, thus adding yet ANOTHER train car to it! The loop has been extended another twelve hours!!
We're back on day 1, at noon!
We're not on the train anymore even! We're outside the train, at Origin Station!
i'll be honest this is unironically a hope spot
jjjqance
Well great
Zerovirus
look at this. it's the start of the fucking game.
the part where wu shi turns into a train nut and starts reciting train facts at ji hengsheng.
now all we have to do is receive future memories, and get the fuck off the train! ...and then probably still die in three days, just, off the train instead!!
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man it's nice to see this scene again though
jjjqance
I don't remember it was so long ago
Zerovirus
and then at this point wu shi gets his future memories back.
oops! suddenly not so excited about the Tour of Time anymore!!
jjjqance
Makes sense
Zerovirus
Wu Shi does the same old thing- shout in pain, collapse to floor, blitz of flashback memories, etc.
But before he's totally incapacitated he looks behind the train- and, yep, just as expected. now there's FOUR freaky black train cars.
He's very.. happy! about this!!
he thinks to himself about how this is a universe where S will no longer exist and then, uh, faints.
Time advances. Two hours later we're in the VIP car. wait. WHY DID YOU BRING HIM ON THE TRAIN AGAIN YOU FUCK
EXPLAIN YOURSELF
Zerovirus

Se Yue: As you anticipated, the user in this loop is me.

After I woke up, I went to Se Yue's room immediately.

Se Yue: But before we discuss our battle plans, let me state an unfortunate conclusion I've come to.

Se Yue: We can't swap users anymore.

Se Yue: This is the very final world, and we have to end everything in this world, no matter what.

i
uh
...oh fuck was that decision actually a PICK BEST GIRL CHOICE
IS THAT WHAT THAT WAS
what the fuck what do you mean 'we can't swap users anymore'
WHERE WAS THIS LIMITATION TEN MINUTES AGO
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YOU CANNOT FUCKING JUST SPRING THIS SHIT ON ME, GAME!
THIS IS BULLSHIT STORYTELLING!!!

Wu Shi: I understand.

WELL I DON'T! WHAT THE FUCK!
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: If we were to swap users again, time would reverse to before the start of the trip, after all.

Wu Shi: Up to now, the events have been constrained entirely to this miniature universe at the bottom of the sea.

Wu Shi: If we were to reach the seventeenth train car's universe, our subjective time would escape the confines of the Tour of Time itself, and at that point the consequences would be unpredictable, to say nothing of whether it'd even be possible, right?

okay that's a reasonable issue, but, at the same time, you're being a fucking coward, how are you going to get the best ending if you don't do the impossible and break the unbreakable, huh
'you don't even know if it'd work' well TRY IT OKAY
THEN YOU'LL KNOW
Zerovirus

Se Yue: ...Wow, I didn't have to explain it to you this time.

Qian Yuan: Looks like Wu Shi-senpai's head isn't completely empty after all.

Wu Shi: You wanna fight? I'm ready.

Se Yue & Qian Yuan: Oh, we're ready for a fight too, if that's what you want.

The two of them smiled and raised their fists.

Right. They both have martial arts training.

Wu Shi: I apologize profusely. Please forgive me.

Zerovirus
Okay, now that we're done with antics,
let's see if you actually have a fucking idea, dude.
Wu Shi says... that his goal here is to ensure that nobody will use the time machine to save him, so that this loop can end on the first loop.
Unfortunately, the problem there, according to him, is that if nobody reverses time, Ji Hengsheng will 'learn of the time machine' and become S, which is unacceptable to Wu Shi.
Zerovirus

Qian Yuan: So how bout I knock her out and tie her up so she can't become the time machine's user.

Se Yue: Because that's not absolutely certain. Fate's got a lot of tricks up its sleeve, and our actions might just cause the very thing we were trying to prevent.

...okay, so
what kind of
'certain' method
are you going to use then
come on, i'm all ears
.....i think we're on the se yue route
jjjqance
we still don't kno what causes Ji to learn of the tim emachine
Zerovirus
i think we are actually on the se yue route. this asshole is flirting with se yue and it's making me angry.
jjjqance
😦
Zerovirus
i think that choice was a 'choose the best girl' choice and i made the wrong choice.
jjjqance
yeah i agree
Zerovirus
well, can't really go back now.
i guess i'll have to save-load once i've seen where this one goes
jjjqance
is there no qian yuan route? no yu guang route?
Zerovirus
i mean i never expected there to be. qian yuan and yu guang are clearly this game's B-couple.
he's flirting with her and eating her biscuit straws to annoy her.
i'm on the wrong rooooute ;_;
anyways, uh. Wu Shi... thinks real hard, remembering all the past events he's gone through, and comes to the conclusion that- as god does not intervene to change the laws, he must discover a new law that can be used to break the time loop somehow. he comes up with an idea, which he tells se yue.
we do not get to hear what his idea is.

Se Yue: ...Could something like that really work?

Wu Shi: I think so. If things work the way I think they should, then something like this will guarantee with certainty that Ji Hengsheng cannot intervene to turn back time at the end of this loop.

Wu Shi: And it all starts with you becoming friends with Hengsheng.

uh
okay
sure, let's see where this goes
this plan apparently starts with se yue having lunch with ji hengsheng and wu shi in the dining car.
Qian Yuan's ordered not to attend, mostly because Wu Shi doesn't want this to turn into the Yu Guang's Unrequited Love Slapstick Show. No distractions!
jjjqance
hmm
er wiat
he's going to discover a new law, but the only point of the law is to prevent Ji from discovering the time machine...?
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: You nervous, young lady?

Se Yue: Of course not. I've been through great trials and tribulations. Something so paltry as making a new friend can't possibly cause me to become nervous.

jjjqance
why do we think there's an immutable law that that has to happen?
Zerovirus
i feel like the way this game uses the word 'law' is not the same as what the word 'law' actually means.
i don't quite know what wu shi means by his usage of the word.
but in chinese, the words for 'law', 'method', and even 'magic' share the character 法
and so i suspect what he's really doing here is playing off the intentional syntactic ambiguity there.
the chinese word for 'magical power' is literally 'lawpower', or, like, 'the power to utilize Law'- i need to stop myself or this will turn into a xianxia lecture hour again
but, yeah, his goal here isn't to survive anymore, it's 'make sure that ji can't become S no matter what, and THEN accept my own death, if that's still a thing that must happen no matter what'.

Se Yue: Making friends is a trivial task.

Se Yue: But, uh, before they get here, I wish to ask, uh,

Se Yue: So how exactly does one define a 'friend' anyways?

Se Yue: Like, are there quantifiable parameters I can aim to hit or...

jjjqance
oh interesting
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Look, it'll be fine. As long as you show clearly that you're on good terms with me, even if you're a literal flesh-eating maggot they'll still treat you as a friend.

jjjqance
i am always here for your xianxia lectures
Zerovirus
remember that the chinese word for 'magic' itself is 魔法, 'demon law'
i.e. occultism
the binding of demons using laws
jjjqance
i will remember it
Zerovirus
so linguistically the word 'law' has a lot of direct connections to the idea of 'miraculous solutions', 'methods', 'magic', etc., that aren't directly present in english

Wu Shi: ...And if that doesn't work, just show your Se family checkbook. That'll at least guarantee that Hengsheng'll become your good friend for sure.

Se Yue: I am less and less certain that I understand the definition of friendship now.

jjjqance
hmm
Zerovirus
ji hengsheng arrives!
jjjqance
maybe the law he devised has something to do with friendship
Zerovirus
oh yu guang is here too.
They're asking Wu Shi why he invited them to eat with the princess.
Zerovirus

Se Yue: The reason is simple, but I'll give Wu Shi the honor of explaining it.

She nudges me under the table.

Wu Shi: Well, you see, uh. It's because...

.......

Shit. I forgot I had to come up with an excuse, didn't I.

Ji Hengsheng: It's because....?

Wu Shi: Iiiiit's to celebrate miss Se Yue's birthday of course.

DECEPTION 100

Se Yue (in a whisper): wait why's it my birthday

Wu Shi (also in a whisper): shut up okay, to make sure this goes smoothly it's your birthday now whether you like it or not!

nightpool
see, now
if I was here I would have talked you into making the other choice
sigh.....
jjjqance
it's ok, we savin the best for last
Zerovirus

Yu Guang: Huh, okay. But, wait, uh, why are we the ones here to celebrate?

Ji Hengsheng: Yeah, shouldn't the whole Se family be throwing a party instead?

Wu Shi: Well uh you see uh- it's because she has an unspeakable secret in her birthday itself!

Ji Hengsheng: What secret is that?

Wu Shi: I uh it's- her thirtieth birthday. Today's her thirtieth birthday.

se yue is displeased.
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jjjqance
gotta build up the hype
nightpool
it's entirely possible choosing Ji Hengsheng would have given us a Bzzt! Nope! answer though lol
jjjqance
that would fuckinb blow
oh hey it's some banter
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: That's right! She's been forced to retake grades over and over, though you wouldn't be able to tell! She's already thirty years old-

She punched me in the ribs, just under the table.

Her punches were strong. I almost threw up then and there.

Yu Guang: So that's it... No wonder she doesn't want to make a big scene of celebrating.

Ji Hengsheng: As a lady myself, I understand the desire not to celebrate one's own birthday as one grows older and older.

Se Yue: You're done for as soon as this is over.

She whispered it into my ear and I suppressed a shiver.

love being threatened with death by the megacorp princess
just like the good old days back before we hardly knew each other
jjjqance
se yue barely even knows us
but it's like we're flirty pals
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: You two are so close to each other!

Ji Hengsheng: Since you're Wu Shi's friend, then of course you're my friend too.

Yu Guang: ...You two are so CLOSE to each other.

Yu Guang: Since you're Wu Shi's friend, then of course I'm not Wu Shi's friend anymore.

Wu Shi: .......

Ji Hengsheng: In conclusion, today's a day worthy of celebration!

Zerovirus
i know. i'm so angry too.
nightpool
can we save and load now this doesn't feel right
jjjqance
this route is the route where we go to hell
Zerovirus
suffer with me
nightpool
:(
Zerovirus
it'd be tonally weird to cut it here!
nightpool
no it wouldn't it would make sense
Wu Shi going "my god what have I done"
Zerovirus
hmmmmm.
lemme... check the... other route....
alright, so far, it's, the, exact same thing. completely the same thing.
nightpool
????
Zerovirus
we take ji hengsheng to se yue's room and ask her for help.
she agrees.
we loop.
we're back at the start of the trip.
jjjqance
wtf
lolol
nightpool
but now it's Ji who's the user of the loop right?
or what
jjjqance
no it's gotta be Se Yue to go back the extra 12 hours
Zerovirus
yeah
nightpool
also wait I'm confused about the premise of this whole deal
Zerovirus
can't use the skip function either, so this is definitely, at least according to the game's code, actual new content i haven't previously seen
nightpool
why do we have to "prevent" ji hengsheng from becoming S
Zerovirus
in both routes he... gives se yue control over the time machine, i guess??
nightpool
didn't we just decide swapping users again was impossible?
jjjqance
is the only difference who we flirt with?
Zerovirus
i suppose they are conflating impossible and unacceptable
se yue seems to be acting as though going back before they even boarded the tour of time is too great a risk to take
nightpool
ahh, hm
Zerovirus
which is why they can't let S happen again, i guess
then we'll be back in shitville AND we'll have to spend, what? the twelve hours before the trip even starts knowing that ji-as-S is out there?
nightpool
hmm
anyway
is the route any different yet?
Zerovirus
hm.
there's less flirting with se yue.
we visit se yue's room, yeah, no problem
we start talking about the plan
there's no... scene where we flirt with her by eating her biscuit straws in front of her
nightpool
thank god
we've saved the timeline
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Zerovirus
we're talking about how we can ensure with certain that ji hengsheng doesn't become S
nightpool
I mean not that I didn't love se yui tbh but only as second best girl
nightpool
man when this game is over I am going to write the best se yui/ji hengsheng duel of wits shippy fanfic.
(I am not going to do this because I cannot write. but)
jjjqance
i'm going to look for people who unironically ship Wu Shi with Se Yue just so i can get mad at them
Zerovirus

Se Yue: ...Is it really possible to end the trip on the very first loop, I wonder?

Wu Shi: It's not about whether we wonder or not, it's that we HAVE to end all of this in a way that guarantees the least possible casualties.

Se Yue: The least casualties, then...?

oh, this is different dialogue

Se Yue: There is a way one can ensure, with certainty, that Ji Hengsheng doesn't become S.

Se Yue looked conflicted.

Wu Shi: What is it?

...oh no.
nightpool
uh
what
we kill se yui
that's it
that's the genius idea
jjjqance
tranquilize Ji
nightpool
don't. go on the trip
just leave
Zerovirus

Se Yue looked at me, and let out a small sigh.

Se Yue: I understand now.

Se Yue: Wu Shi.

Se Yue: Please feel free to hate me, I don't mind.

With Se Yue's words, something shocking happened.

A wave of stunning pain emanated from my neck.

uh folks, uh, i think i think she's planning to find ji hengsheng and shoot her. with the gun we know she has.
OH SHE'S CHOKING US
SHE'S CHOKING US WITH SOME KIND OF WIRE APPARATUS AND WE ARE RAPIDLY LOSING CONSCIOUSNESS
EITHER HER OR QIAN YUAN.
OH GOD WE'RE LOOPING
NIGHTPOOL YOU SAID THIS WAS THE GOOD TIMELINE
YOU PROMISED ME WE WERE SETTING THINGS BACK TO THE GOOD TIMELINE
jjjqance
oops
turns out we needed to flirt
Zerovirus
OH GOD OH FUCK WE JUST LOOPED AND WE RESTARTED AT THE START AGAIN BUT AS SOON AS WE DID BEFORE WU SHI COULD SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HOW COOL TRAINS WERE, QIAN YUAN SHOWED UP BEHIND US AND CHOKED US OUT AGAIN
THIS IS NOT THE GOOD TIMELINE
WHAT THE FUCK
nightpool
jjjqance
it turns out deciding that we love Ji but then asked Se Yue for help was the wrong move
Zerovirus
it happened in a real-time cutscene i couldn't actually capture either
nightpool
let's see how this goes
I wanna see where they're going with this
jjjqance
maybe ji is gonna save us
nightpool
"just murder Wu Shi every loop" hasn't been tried yet
yeah I think Ji can save us
Zerovirus
...anyways, wu shi... wakes up in the VIP room again. and he's not sure what happened. he decides that he was surely hallucinating what just happened.

Wu Shi: ...This is a terrible sign. If I'm already hallucinating things, it must mean that my ability to keep timelines straight is deteriorating. Who knows just how long I have left...

god damnit, Wu Shi.
nightpool
I think se yue is allowed to do this
Zerovirus

Se Yue: There is a way one can ensure, with certainty, that Ji Hengsheng doesn't become S.

Se Yue looked conflicted.

Wu Shi: What is it?

deja vu, i've been in this place before, higher on the streets, and i know it's my time to gooooo

Se Yue: ...You two, please leave the room, now.

Wu Shi: ...eh?

Se Yue: Please, give me time to think by myself.

Se Yue: Both of you, out.

i- okay- so- what did you do even,
what is happening
we get kicked out so we mosey on back to the men's dormitory.
nightpool
she's going to become S
jjjqance
wait did we actually hallucinate that whole thing
Zerovirus

Se Yue's behavior didn't feel right to me. It reminded me of the way she was acting in the 14th train car, when she was on the verge of total breakdown.

But this short period of time would be the last stretch of my life.

I had to spend it on the things that were most important to me.

Wu Shi calls Yu Guang over to his bunk.

Yu Guang: So what's this about, asking me to come over this late?

nightpool
this is where we learn about yu guang's secret backstory
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: I'm about to die.

Yu Guang: ?????

Wu Shi: So, I need to make proper final farewells to you and Hengsheng.

OKAY WHAT
this is SO much darker than the other timeline
are we SURE we don't want to fucking go back
like, fuck, at least wu shi had a PLAN in the other timeline
nightpool
I trust ji hengsheng
jjjqance
yeah we gave her a loyalty point when we made that decision
she'll come through
Zerovirus

Yu Guang: What kind of terrible joke is that?

Wu Shi: Heh heh heh. You'll find out soon that this is no joke.

Yu Guang: Why are you acting like you're eagerly anticipating it? Do people who want to die actually look like that?

Wu Shi: What, do you want me to cry and beg you to save me from my fate while clinging to your leg?

Yu Guang: Mmmm... nah, if you did that I'd rather you just actually went and died, yeah.

Man, with conversations like this, it really makes you ask just what kind of friends we actually are.

Wu Shi: Anyways uhhh. Shit. What do people usually say to their friends before they die? This is the first time I've actually been in this situation.

Yu Guang: That's because normal people don't die multiple times, duh.

What a precisely targeted bit of snark! Unfortunately for him, I really have died multiple times.

this is the most bizarre conversation i have had to translate this whole game, and i've translated a whole lot of bizarre stuff.
Zerovirus

Yu Guang: So, when're you going to die?

Wu Shi: At the end of the trip.

Wu Shi: ..You're not treating my statements as a joke?

Yu Guang: Nah. I can tell you're serious.

Wu Shi: And you're not going to ask me why I'm going to die?

Yu Guang: If you could tell me, you'd already have told me, right?

seriously. actually the most bizarre conversation.

Yu Guang: ...Anything I can do for you?

Yu Guang: So that you don't die, I mean. I'd be willing to do practically anything if it means you won't die, y'know.

nightpool
yu guang secret backstory time
avunvain
yu guang...
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Eh, nah. I'm good, thanks. There's not much you can really do.

man imagine this conversation from yu guang's perspective. your best friend just being like 'hey i'm gonna die soon here's why, i'm not telling you why, just letting you know i'm planning it'
like, wow, that shit is fucked
Deleted User
will he be chosen by the time god too?
nightpool
yeah this is uh. kind of fucked
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Just treat me as usual for the rest of this trip, y'know?

Yu Guang: ......

nightpool
uh. HOW?
Zerovirus
are we SURE we don't want to go back to the timeline where they're all having a good old time hanging out in the dining car
this timeline is awful
nightpool
yes
i trust ji hengsheng to knock wu shi out
so that he doesn’t commit suicide
Zerovirus

Yu Guang: Jeez, uh. This is the first time I've had to deal with a suicidal friend, so, uh. Not really sure how to handle things...

Wu Shi: Yeah, you wouldn't encounter anything like this normally.

Yu Guang: Ha ha, yeah...

Wu Shi: But, Yu Guang... there's something I've always wanted to ask you.

Yu Guang: Yeah?

Wu Shi: You, me, and Hengsheng grew up together, and we've known each other for well over a decade now.

secret yu guang backstory time???????
anything to change the topic, frankly.
NOPE IT'S NOT YU GUANG BACKSTORY TIME YET
Wu Shi just wants to ask, Yu Guang, if he's, ever, once, had a crush on Ji Hengsheng, like, at all, in the slightest
nightpool
oh my goddddddd
jjjqance
hey if we're gonna die we gotta make sure our girl has a fallback
Deleted User
at the hour of his death man has to check if his friend ever had a crush on his side chick
Zerovirus

Yu Guang: What, you're picking now of all times to ask this question?

Yu Guang: But, uh, honestly,

Yu Guang: I've always liked Hengsheng, and wanted nothing but happiness for her.

Oh, so he does like her-

Yu Guang: Same goes for you, too.

Yu Guang: I want you to be happy just as much. You two are both my most important friends, after all.

Yu Guang: If you two could be together, you'd surely make each other very happy.

Yu Guang: When I realized this, it guaranteed for me that I'd never even consider nurturing any sort of romantic inclination for Hengsheng in the slightest.

Yu Guang: For me, the greatest satisfaction is to watch the two of you together.

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insane
Zerovirus

Yu Guang: That's why...

Yu Guang laid a hand on my shoulder.

Yu Guang: That's why you're irreplaceable, okay?

Yu Guang: If there's the slightest chance that you can live, you should fight for it! Don't let yourself just die!

Zerovirus

Only at that last word did signs of sorrow break into his voice.

god this timeline is so depressing
Wu Shi decides not to tell Ji Hengsheng any of this, because if he tells her any of this he's pretty sure that'll make her turn into S.
SO WE JUST DO NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY AND HEAD RIGHT FOR THE BONFIRE PARTY OKAY THEN
OKAY.
nightpool
maybe this timeline is depressing because we made the se yue choice first and then saved and loaded
Zerovirus
OKAAAAAAAAY.
is this game really that smart
is it really that smart
jjjqance
these people love to make plans that involve doing nothing
nightpool
oh my god he’s going to tell ji hengsheng “no” because he’s going to die
Zerovirus
where's the dog. the dog should be a major character. why isn't the dog in this game
that is a very cute dog who doesn't appear anywhere else in this game
nightpool
if the game does that i WILL fly to taiwan and punch the developers myself.
marzipanWhale
Punch them for me as well
nightpool
not the dog thing
the dog thing is fine.
nightpool
anyway i’m sorry to put you through this zero but you would have hated the other timeline more tbh
avunvain
i mean we're seeing that too right
not just gonna miss out on content
Zerovirus

Just how many times have I been here, by now?

Looking at her, My brain flashed through everything I've been through, up to now.

I think, I understand her more than even she understands herself.

In the 《past》of the world of the 13th train car, for my sake she hurt herself endlessly.

In the 《present》of the bonfire party, she'd prepared a ring for the two of us.

In the 《future》after the trip ended, she'd throw it all away to go back to save me.

I knew every version of her from every timeline.

No matter which timeline it is, she saw me as her everything.

But I was already out of time, and had nothing with which to repay her.

Wu Shi: Hengsheng.

Ji Hengsheng: What is it, Shi-chan?

Wu Shi: If we become true family- what will that be like, exactly?

Ji Hengsheng: Mmmm...

Ji Hengsheng: Exactly like things are now, of course!

Of course.

I reached out and held her by the hands.

Wu Shi: Hengsheng...

I originally thought I just didn't know how to say goodbye,

but now I understood.

Wu Shi: No matter what happens in the future-

I really just didn't want to say goodbye at all.

Wu Shi: You'll always be my family.

i... does that...
is that...
does that count??
as a confession?
or not???
better than flatly declining her, at least.
what is happening in this timeline though???
what was with se yue randomly assaulting us??
jjjqance
im just gonna stop asking why
Zerovirus
fade to black, timestamp: day 3, 2am, vip cabin, hengsheng's perspective
jjjqance
ooh
Zerovirus
alright, game, fess up
tell me what the fuck
she's doing here
nightpool
yesssss
jjjqance
wow this is a girl who KNOWS she got soft-rejected
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: Mm...

Ji Hengsheng: Mmm....

Ji Hengsheng: Mmmmmm.....

Qian Yuan: Miss Ji?

Ji Hengsheng: ...I feel like Shi-chan's being strange...

Se Yue: That's childhood friends for you, huh.

nightpool
“That’s childhood friends for you, huh?”
what
jjjqance
what would you know about childhood friends???
nightpool
that’s not even. that makes no sense
what is she trying to say
jjjqance
clearly she doesn't know
Zerovirus

Se Yue: Without him even telling you anything, you've already discerned his abnormal behavior?

Oh, so the princess had also noticed that Shi-chan was off?

So that was why Se Yue had invited me to her room without telling either Wu Shi or Yu Guang about it.

Zerovirus
she's trying to say 'sasuga childhood friend' basically
JaxThePyro
childhood friends have mind reading powers
Zerovirus
'so this is what it means to be childhood friends together'
'so this is the true power of childhood friendship'
anyways so... yeah this is gonna go baaaaaaad.
se yue's probably here to straight up murder ji hengsheng isn't she.
nightpool
it makes sense with the follow up line yeah
interpreting it as “yeah, that’s childhood friends, always acting weird” was just throwing me for a loop
marzipanWhale
I'm going to bed now. Looking forward to being angry tomorrow
Zerovirus
OR NOT, OR SHE'S JUST GOING TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO JI HENGSHENG OKAY.
ji hengsheng, predictably, feels sad for wu shi.
nightpool
metanarratively this would make zero sense after we chose to out our trust in ji hengshengs hands
Zerovirus
She... doesn't want to believe it, but she hallucinates, for a moment, seeing herself in the mirror in Se Yue's room, wearing the S costume, and this convinces her that, indeed, Se Yue is speaking the truth.
MORE MAGICAL THINKING.
STOP MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON EMOTIONALLY DRIVEN MAGICAL THINKING GOD DAMN IT
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE SOMETHING THEN FIND EVIDENCE AND TEST YOUR HYPOTHESES
JaxThePyro
what happened to "one way to ensure ji hengsheng doesnt become S"?
nightpool
apparent the one way is “have se yue explain everything to her on the third day of the trip”
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
quick questions
how did Ji become S?
jjjqance
i guess she's just thinking ... yes this seems like something i would do
Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
I didn't see the corresponding scenes
jjjqance
she's basically saying "yeah, this tracks with what i know about myself and how i would react"
nightpool
we got it in flashback
jjjqance
hallucinating herself wearing the S costume is just the representation of that
Zerovirus
note that it is not a particularly enlightening explanation
but it's what the game gave me to work with
JaxThePyro
"But then, because of a certain opportunity, I was able to learn about the fact that the Tour of Time had the functionality of a time-traveling machine."
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Chaos' Crowl Kanigami
thanks! i'll do it tomorrow tbh cause it's 2 am now ahha
Zerovirus
oh lord it's
time to
translate
another bout
of
insane moon logic
that i don't understand
even though i have to translate it for everyone
jjjqance
"moon logic" ayyy
(cause it's coming from Yue)
Zerovirus
So, Ji Hengsheng asks what Se Yue wants of her.
Zerovirus

Se Yue: No matter which world it is, the person to die in the first loop is always Wu Shi.

Se Yue: After that, every loop adds another dead person.

Se Yue: So, to prevent the endless generation of fuel, Wu Shi wants to end it in the first loop.

Ji Hengsheng: Right, you explained that already-

Se Yue: But it's impossible.

Se Yue: This is absolutely impossible.

Ji Hengsheng: ...??...

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Qian Yuan: Because of the limitations of the grandfather paradox, we cannot negate any causes that have already been fixed in place.

Qian Yuan: Initially we thought the start of everything was the death of Wu Shi, but that's not the case.

Qian Yuan: The young lady was the one to detect this inconsistency.

Ji Hengsheng: You mean, the true starting point isn't Shi-chan's death?

Se Yue: That's right.

Se Yue: If we end this whole tour during the first loop, after Wu Shi dies...

Se Yue: Then how would the sixteenth train car appear?

prepare for confusing moon logic, friends
Deleted User
G R A N D F A T H E R P A R A D O X
Zerovirus
at this point we might as well start saying 'i wouldn't put it beyond grandfather' for this fucking game too jesus christ
Deleted User
grandfather time god
jjjqance
hm
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: ?

Se Yue: Causation is like a connected tube. When the beginning is formed, no matter how the course of events is twisted, it must proceed inexorably to the conclusion.

Se Yue: 《Wu Shi's Death》, as a cause, by itself, isn't sufficient to create 《The Sixteenth Train Car》as an effect, is it?

jjjqance
i think i get this game's version of the grandfather paradox now
Zerovirus
this last line, here?
jjjqance
even if it doesn't make sense
Zerovirus
i don't understand what it's saying.
oh please enlighten me
jjjqance
there's some initial cuase of all the events
and that cause always occurs
even if everything else after that changes?
ok i'm not actually sure about this lol
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but that seems like what she's implying
nightpool
hmm i thought it was saying that the loop counts are off by one
JaxThePyro
maybe his death doesnt have enough metaphysical weight
Zerovirus
okay okay everyone settle down let me keep translating, se yue's got more context for us
jjjqance
yeah that might be what she's sying
actually no i don't see how that could make sense
i'm just gonna wait for zero's translation now lol
Zerovirus

Se Yue: Let's say that after he dies the tour ends. Then who was it that activated the time travel in the first place?

Se Yue: If the 《S》that represents the START doesn't exist, then the me who inherited the memories of the past couldn't be born, could it?

Without a father there can be no son.

The grandfather paradox.

Ji Hengsheng: Then, what was the Cause that initiated everything?

Ji Hengsheng: What was the true Cause?!

If we couldn't get this clear, then Shi-chan's painful loops would go on forever.

in conclusion i have no fucking idea what se yue's logic was
but the story seems to be saying there's a prime mover that we could do something about if we figured it out
jjjqance
ok yeahi don't get it
if we found out who the prime mover was
wouldn't we NOT be able to do anything about them?
becaus eof the paraodx...???
Zerovirus

Se Yue: The true starting point, should be this:

hm. another question set. this seems portentious.

After Wu Shi died, someone used the Tour of Time.

Someone intentionally arranged for the derailing accident to happen.

The decision to use the Tour of Time as the location of the end-of-year trip at all.

that's our options, and we don't have hearts. this is almost certainly another major branching path.
jjjqance
i wanna say #2 or #3
at first i was gonna say #2 ...
but like why not go all the way back?
but then, why not go back to Se Yue's birth?
JaxThePyro
I would say #3
Zerovirus
i feel like my gut instinct is 2. if it's 1, that either means we can just not use the tour of time anymore and end it all, or it means we can never go back in meta-time to reach the original act and we're all fucked forever
i guess i could also see 3?
jjjqance
the thing about #2 is it takes place during the tour of time
so it's possible to do something about it
can't do anything about #3 anymore
also presumably whoever arranged #2 is the True Culprit
Zerovirus
like this is the problem with this game's theories of causality: there's no such thing as, metaphysical weight, every action leads equally to every other action, there is no such thing as a single prime mover other than the creation of the physical universe at the dawn of time
all of this reasoning about a prime mover existing is totally fallacious
jjjqance
this is a problem with almost every time travel movie
nightpool
we can definitely do something about #3
Zerovirus
anyways i definitely need to save here
god, i don't know. i'm going to follow public consensus and try 3 i guess
JaxThePyro
the people probably responsible for #2 or #3 are
Se family people right?
Zerovirus
In response to option 3:

Se Yue: Wrong.

Se Yue: That occurred far before the true Cause.

Se Yue: We should say, even if we didn't make such a decision originally, the world would still use some incredibly implausible way, to force a situation similar to the Cause to occur.

i, uh, okay
sure, se yue
i don't understand the reasoning here exactly but
okay
we're back at the three options so now... two?
TWO IS ALSO WRONG
JaxThePyro
???
nightpool
i guess!
Zerovirus

Se Yue: If the Occurrence of the Accident was the primary Cause, then Wu Shi's death as a consequence should just be a secondary variable that could in theory be changed.

nightpool
at least #3 and #2 are like, consistent
Zerovirus
so, according to se yue, the real cause is... that... someone used the Tour of Time, i guess?
nightpool
that makes some amount of sense
in that it's always been weird that someone will die before the end of the loop
to power that loop
Zerovirus

Se Yue: That's right. That's the true Cause.

Se Yue: No matter how the events change and wind and weave, if nobody used the Tour of Time, none of this could have happeend.

Se Yue: That means that it's impossible to end things at the first loop.

Se Yue: Someone must always rewind time, after the first loop concludes.

Se Yue: Even if neither of us used it, the universe would likely forcibly coerce someone into becoming the user of the Tour of Time, to prevent a paradox from forming.

i
jjjqance
god wtf
Zerovirus
guess!
okay!
sure!
jjjqance
how does she know this stuff
Zerovirus
i'll roll with it!
jjjqance
people really need to ask themselves "what do i know and how do i think i know it" or whatever it is
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: I've got a bit of a question.

YEAH I DO TOO. SEVERAL ACTUALLY.
JaxThePyro
I had questions but yeah ill just roll with it
jjjqance
also i'm confused
i thought that the whole reason we were at this point is that se yue was saying, "actually there was an earlier primary cause"
now she's back to saying it was someone using the tour of time ... ?
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: Isn't the cause for the 16th train car appearing, well, uh, your usage of it, in the universe of the 15th train car, Yue-chan?

Se Yue: That's not how it works.

Se Yue: 《The universe we occupy must be the final result of all previously made changes.》

Se Yue: After changing users, the universe resets. In other words, the current 16th train car is equivalent to the first loop- it's a completely new world.

Ji Hengsheng: Which is to say, the fact that you used the Tour of Time in the 15th train car... can't be 'brought' to the 16th train car's world?

Se Yue: That's right.

...so se yue's saying, the appearance of a train car before someone has used the tour of time is an uncaused cause
to close the time loop someone has to use the tour of time
so where did
jjjqance
oh
ok
Zerovirus
the original tour of time
come from
where did the first black train car in the very very first segment of the game come from??
jjjqance
oh, right
that was there from the beginning of the trip
Zerovirus
like if a black train car showing up means you HAVE to time travel, the universe will force you to time travel,
then where did the original one come from
where do you store these fucking train cars, what is the physical mechanism by which they appear, aaaaargh,
jjjqance
this story might make more sense if it was like "actually i didn't invent this, we just discovered this atlantean architecture adn ddon't know how it works"
Zerovirus
Well, anyways. Se Yue concludes that the earliest that things can be stopped is during the second loop.
Zerovirus
honestly, fuck, hard agreement
this story's time travel plot devices read like frankly lovecraftian nonsense
none of this makes sense and trying to figure it out makes your brain explode

Ji Hengsheng: But... that means that, someone other than Shi-chan will have to die, then.

Se Yue: ...Yes.

Se Yue: That is the smallest possible sacrifice to make.

jjjqance
i still don't understand why
the train appeared, so someone had to use the Tour of Time. that used up Wu Shi's death right?
oh right
when they use the tour of time, someone else will then die
Zerovirus
the universe generates new fuel every loop, but you can choose to not use it
but that person still dies yeah
jjjqance
ok i keep forgetting htat
Zerovirus
Ji Hengsheng has a Big Sad. She feels like it's directly her fault that a second person will die, now, since it was her, as S, who used the Tour of Time at all, back at the very beginning of everything.
She hallucinates S again, except this time she's wearing the outfit.

Ji Hengsheng: I can't remember anything... but I feel like I must have done something very, very bad, before, didn't I.

jjjqance
hm so i guess we're presumably gonna learn about the true culprit
Zerovirus
Se Yue tries to reassure her, by saying, it's not Ji Hengsheng's fault, it's Se Yue's fault for inventing the damn thing in the first place.
Everyone's having a big sad.
jjjqance
do we think it's gonna be like "se yue's dad" or one of the actual characters...?
Zerovirus
chang you culprit theory raises a hand, weakly, from the floor
jjjqance
like should we start betting on yu guang or qian yuan being the big bad
Zerovirus
'hey... i'm still here.....'
Zerovirus
y'all, i think this is the bad timeline.
i know i keep saying it
but i'm purdy sure this is the bad one
Se Yue just said some real cryptic shit.
jjjqance
oh nooo
ji is gonna volunteer to be the second sacrifice
they'll sacrifice themselves together and that's the "Ji ending"
JaxThePyro
they should just use one of the evil maids
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nightpool
don't keep us in suspense.
also if this is the bad timeline then for real i am upset with this game tbh
Zerovirus
okay, so, what happens is: Ji Hengsheng once again thinks about how much more special and talented and cool Se Yue is, and how if anyone can save Wu Shi surely it's her. Ji Hengsheng asks Se Yue to take care of Wu Shi, and reiterates her mantra- that she doesn't care if she herself doesn't get to be with Wu Shi, so long as Wu Shi is alive and happy. And then she cries, and she doesn't know why, exactly like at the end of the world of the 13th train car.

Se Yue: ....I see that nobody has detected it at all, then.

Ji Hengsheng: ?

Se Yue: I'm the only one who remembers all of it, now.

Se Yue spoke cryptically, and lowered her head to me.

Next to her, Qian Yuan handed her some sort of object.

Se Yue: Ji Hengsheng.

Se Yue: You can hate me; I won't mind.

Se Yue: There's a method that can achieve Wu Shi's hope, and end all of this in the second loop.

Ji Hengsheng: What should I do?

Se Yue: Let me tell you.

Se Yue: At this time, it's already--

Hearing the words Se Yue spoke to me, I opened my eyes wide in astonishment.

So that was the way it was, huh.

Everything is already determined, then.

So, there's only one choice I can make here.

i have no idea what this means but i'm pretty sure it involves ji hengsheng dying because that's the only thing that feels dramatically appropriate at this point, honestly.
se yue seems to imply that she's been up to some mysterious cryptic shit in the background, maybe having found a way to loop without leaving wu shi with any memories even??
wu shi did get knocked out at the very beginning without getting to see the number of extra train cars, assuming that scene with qian yuan knocking him out again wasn't a total hallucination
so maybe a lot of shit happened that we weren't privy to?
but, regardless, this is some cryptic shit.
nightpool
why would se yue tell us not to hate her if we're going to be dead
that makes zero sense
JaxThePyro
"achieving Wu Shi's hope" sounds really chunni but doesn't make it sound like Ji Hengsheng dies
Zerovirus
anyways, fade to black, scene transition, we're back in Wu Shi's perspective, and it is now the end of the loop; the train is pulling into Terminal Station, everything's about to end, and Wu Shi knows he's going to die.
Wu Shi resolves himself to die, and puts his faith in Qian Yuan and Se Yue to stop Ji Hengsheng from looping again.

Wu Shi: At least I'm the only one who'll die here.

After all, the first loop's fuel was always me.

I'd already told Se Yue to lock the doors to the men's dormitory, so there was no way anybody but me could get into here to die with me-

The door slid open suddenly.

jjjqance
it's chang you
Zerovirus

...Eh?

What was someone else doing here?

Wait.

Why...

jjjqance
i was right. it's chang you
Zerovirus

S entered the dormitory train car and locked the door shut.

Wu Shi: ...What are you up to?

Seeing her in that costume again, I sank into momentary confusion- which hindered me from doing the thing that seemed obvious in hindsight- namely, moving her OUT of there immediately.

Wu Shi: No, wait, who are you this time?

S: .....

Wu Shi: ANSWER ME!

I was really hoping that S wasn't the person that it usually was, this time.

Unfortunately the universe is predictable!
Why did you even bother dressing up, Hengsheng?
What was the point of that?
To make a symbolic point about how S is dying here as well to end the loops forever??
Zerovirus

Why are you here?!

This was a universe where you didn't have to become S!

What did the princess DO with you?!

...What did the princess mean, back then, by 'a certain way to resolve everything'?

No, calm down.

This is the first loop, so I'm the only one destined to die.

I'll just do the same thing as before, carry Hengsheng to a safe place after it starts flooding.

It's not too late! I can still save her!

(spoiler alert: it is in fact too late)
Zerovirus
Ji Hengsheng explains to Wu Shi the chain of logic that'd led Se Yue to come to her conclusions, and once she does Wu Shi curses himself for not seeing it sooner.

That's right. Then... what I experienced wasn't a hallucination, at all.

It actually happened. This isn't the first loop- it's the second.

no shit!
jjjqance
wait did they like
intentinoally trick him into thinking he had hallucinated that
Zerovirus
Wu Shi puts two and two together- the second person that's going to die here is Ji Hengsheng. He curses Se Yue for it.
Zerovirus
i suppose they did!
gaslighting.
the next best option after tranquilizergassing.
jjjqance
i bet they're going to like do their proposal thing as they prepare to drown or whatever
JaxThePyro
imminent death to the MC looses a bit of punch when its already happened dozens of times
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: THIS ISN'T THE ENDING I WANT!

Ji Hengsheng: But, Shi-chan...

She hugged me warmly from behind.

Ji Hengsheng: It is the one I want.

kind of a fucked up thing to say even though I know where you're coming from, Ji Hengsheng

Ji Hengsheng: After all, I made this decision for myself.

Ji Hengsheng: Se Yue told me about it, but didn't force me to come here. I chose that myself.

Zerovirus

glass cracks. here comes the water.

Ji Hengsheng: It's fine, Shi-chan.

Wu Shi: But...

Ji Hengsheng: You know, I've thought about what the definition of happiness is, exactly.

Ji Hengsheng: So many people live decades and decades but might not even experience happiness even once over all that time, you know?

Hengsheng shivered next to me, from the cold and the fear.

Ji Hengsheng: But, in the last few seconds of our lives, we can spend them together.

Hengsheng laid her head on my chest.

Ji Hengsheng: I think I've won a happiness that many people couldn't in their whole lives.

Looking at her satisfied expression, I closed my eyes.

Yeah, she was right.

If our situations were swapped, I'd probably have made the same choices as her, in the end.

After that, the seawater engulfed us.

An ending I'd experienced so many times- but never once the same way as this.

In the bone-chilling cold, I embraced the warmth in my lap, and for some reason I felt neither fear nor pain.

I reached into my pocket and got out the ring that Hengsheng had given me that night at the bonfire...

(fade to black)
credits roll.
THERE WE GO.
THAT'S OUR ENDING.
the credits song is actually pretty good.
i'll try to find it on youtube sometime later.
jjjqance
i wonder if the se yue route is gonna be dying with se yue
Zerovirus
After the credits,
avunvain
do not know how i feel about that as an ending!
Zerovirus
There's a stinger!
nightpool
that cannot be the end
what the fuck
JaxThePyro
lmao wtf
we didnt even learn anything about the true culprit
jjjqance
is this gonna be one of those, after playing Ji & Se routes we unlock a true ending?
nightpool
no didn't you hear, the se yue route is going to be discovering a new theorem that solves everything
i mean, tbf that could just be wishful thinking on wu shi's part
but come on
what the fuck
JaxThePyro
just make a new universal law lol
jjjqance
yeah true
Zerovirus

The Tour of Time had come to an unexpected end.

Despite the many criticisms levied at the Cesium Megacorporation,

in the end, the fact that, despite such a major accident, only two people died, was hailed as a miracle.

The Se family suppressed all criticism eventually with its influence.

But, those who paid attention to the accident all noticed one particular thing-

That the two casualties of the incident were found with content expression and embraced hands,

and that, on the hand of the female victim, a wedding ring was conspicuously affixed to her ring finger.

JaxThePyro
thats really sweet but i dont actually think thats how dying from drowning works
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Zerovirus
oh it totally fucking isn't
but i'm willing to let a bit of realism go here, they're clearly trying to pull our heartstrings with the power of romanticization
jjjqance
tbh of all the things i gotta suspend by disbelief for i'm ok with this one
Zerovirus
this is yooour faaaaaaaault np. yoooooooooooooour faaaaaaaaaaaaault. we should have stayed in the other timeline where nothing but flirting was happening!!!
Benedict
wow i just caught up and what the fuck
that can't be the ending, yeah
there's no explanation for the meido army thing
JaxThePyro
whats the actual intended thematic meaning for that ending
Zerovirus
new title screen with the group shot!
including, for the first time, yu guang!
yu guang who is still here!!
Zerovirus
big sad
seriously that's it
that's the only point really
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lovers bound by cruel physical law to perish together for the greater good- blah blah blah really it's just tragedyporn is what it is.
there's got to be better.
alright!
we got all that out of our systems?
because TIME TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER TIMELINE NOW
jjjqance
NEW THEOREMS LETS GOOOO
Zerovirus
where everything is FINE and NOTHING BAD WILL HAPPEN EVER AGAIN
HAPPY TIMES WITH FLIRTING AND ANTICS IN THE DINING CAR
So, Ji Hengsheng has now decided that she is convinced that Se Yue is 30.

Se Yue: I'm not... actually thirty...

Ji Hengsheng: I understand! No woman with youth in her heart would ever admit that they're older than 30!

Se Yue: No, that's not what I mean...

jjjqance
i wanted her to bribe someone
Zerovirus
well, she was certainly very cool, after she got dunked in the bone-freezing drink
jjjqance
ji's money powers are an informed attribute
Zerovirus

...Why were my friends acting drunk, anyways? They were drinking nothing but cola.

Yu Guang: See, me, I personally like'em younger than me. Specifically I like the ones who are younger than me by exactly one grade level and who happen to be named Qian and also on the basketball team.

Wu Shi: NOBODY ASKED.

this is all incredibly nonsense
jjjqance
this is what i sound like when i drink cola
nightpool
se yue spiked the cola
jjjqance
but all my friends get really confused, cause they know there isn't anybody named Qian a grade below me on the basketball team
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nightpool
cannot count the number of times that that's happened to me
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: A toast, to the Se princess's eternally-eighteenth birthday!

Yu Guang: Yeah! A toast! To incredibly cute girls named Qian!

Wu Shi: WOULD YOU STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

I was pretty sure I could feel killing intent coming out of Se Yue's eyes now, even though the light smile plastered on her face hadn't changed a bit.

Yu Guang: So what're we doing about birthday cake? Should I go get some from the self-serve?

Ji Hengsheng: No, no, those are far too small. This is Yue-chan's special day! We need something far better.

nightpool
(-chan even though she's 30 years old? :P)
Zerovirus

Se Yue: N-it's not a problem. Small cakes are fine.

Ji Hengsheng: Nononono.

She wagged her fingers.

Ji Hengsheng: When it's your most special day, you can't settle for anything but the best.

Ji Hengsheng: You've got to fill days like this up with heart! That's how you become good friends and eventually family.

Se Yue: Mmmm...

if there was a Se Family Rule against blushing, Se Yue would have been disowned a thousand times over by now.
HELL YEAH
YES IT'S TIME FOR MORE CHIBIS
jjjqance
ahh can't believe i'm going like se yue is cute
Zerovirus

Yu Guang: CAPTAIN JI! I'VE FIGURED OUT A SOLUTION!

Ji Hengsheng: Speak, private.

Yu Guang: I'll go and amass a pile of high-grade ingredients to make a birthday cake with!

Ji Hengsheng: Specific battle plans, soldier.

Yu Guang: Wwwwwwelllll, first we start with high-quality meats and expensive fresh seafood-

Benedict
alright, Chie
nightpool
I hate this game so much y'all
Zerovirus

Yu Guang: Battle plan approved! All forces, roll out!

Wu Shi: THAT'S NOT A BATTLE PLAN AT ALL! YOU JUST NAMED A BUNCH OF EXPENSIVE MEATS!

nightpool
why couldn't we have had these fun times with Ji as our love interest
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: Look, if it's expensive that means it's a good gift. If you don't know what to gift someone for their birthday, going for the expensive stuff's never going to be wrong.

Wu Shi: I- you realize she owns all of this stuff already, right?

Disregarding my sarcasm, Yu Guang brought over a giant heaping platter of the most expensive meats anyways.

Five minutes later...

Zerovirus

Se Yue: ...

Wu Shi: ...

Yu Guang: ...

After seeing the horrific abomination that was meant to pass as a birthday cake, all of our enthusiasm died out quickly.

It was unspeakable. The high-quality meat had been drawn into a circle, in the midst of which an unholy conglomerate of seafood had been pinned into place with some candles.

Wu Shi: I feel like... this is more of an eldritch summoning circle, than a birthday cake.

Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: ...Ah...

Ji Hengsheng wiped away a tear.

Oh, no. Had we hurt her feelings?

Ji Hengsheng: ...It's such a perfect birthday cake...

Se Yue: ...

Wu Shi: ...

Yu Guang: ...

Ji Hengsheng: I hope Shi-chan buys me a birthday cake like this someday.

JaxThePyro
best girl
Zerovirus

Se Yue (whispering): ...Is your friend serious?

Wu Shi: Sadly, I know her very well and I can assure you that she is actually completely serious right now. God help us all.

Benedict
this stuff remains the best part of the game somehow
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: Well, come on, Yue-chan, don't be shy, you're the star of the show!

Ji Hengsheng handed her a knife.

Ji Hengsheng: Blow out the candles, cut a slice, and make a wish!

Se Yue: Make... a wish?

She looked around. All of us were smiling at her.

Me, Yu Guang, Hengsheng- even Qian Yuan had showed up at some points and was now covertly taking photos of the whole situation.

Se Yue: Well, I'll proceed, then.

Se Yue: When the end-of-year trip is over, I hope we won't forget about each other.

Benedict
AND THEN S SHOWS UP AND STARTS KILLIN'
Zerovirus
i have to say this whole scene hits a lot differently once you've seen the ji ending
like, this really comes off as wu shi trying his best to make sure se yue doesn't try to talk ji hengsheng into dying with him, at this point.
'become good friends'!!!
'it's very important to my plan!!!!!!'
nightpool
well wu shi doesn't even know that anybody else has to die yet, right?
he still thinks it's just him
but in this ending he thinks he'll be able to avoid it for some reason
jjjqance
no his only goal is to stop ji from becoming S and looping again right?
wait sorry
that's what you said
i still can't keep track of the weird loop logic
Zerovirus

Se Yue: If at all possible...

Se Yue: After all of this, I hope that we can all meet like this again, and enjoy a real cake together.

She blew the candles out.

I was astonished. Not at her blowing the candles out, but at her suggesting that we meet again in the future after this.

She looked at me as though she was admonishing me for being surprised at her suggestion.

Se Yue: A toast.

nightpool
would like to state for the record that my actual reasoning here when first seeing the choice was: the game is asking who can save everything. Se Yue and Ji Hengsheng have both had their shot, and fucked it up, but we're in the Ji Hengsheng loop again now, and we should 1) make the most of it, since we've already fucked up by looping once and 2) Ji is much more likely to listen to us and worth with us then Se Yue is, and with us supporting her she has a better chance of figuring out who the real culprit is
something like that
Zerovirus

What a wonderful scene.

If only we could have seen something like this before.

But, of course, that was impossible.

This loop was about to end.

With my end as the terminus, to seal away the loop forever.

Wu Shi: A toast!

Yu Guang and Ji Hengsheng: A toast!

nightpool
i know i just wanted to vent about it
Zerovirus
why does the story even frame the question as a thought that wu shi's having, diegetically???
it doesn't change wu shi's actions.
nightpool
right! right!! it makes zero sense
jjjqance
it was for the time gods
nightpool
literally the only thing it changes is like, what plan Se Yue proposes, right?
Zerovirus
yeah! pretty much!
or- well, i don't think se yue has actually proposed a plan yet
nightpool
i guess it does kind of change how wu shi approaches things but man
what a fucking cop out
Zerovirus
she was about to but wu shi interrupted and went 'no i also have a plan but you have to become friends with ji first, it's very critical'
'also i'm not explaining the plan yet just trust me okay'
jjjqance
i've always felt like the choice -> consequences in VNs could be a bit ... iffy, diegetically. but just not changing the main character's behavior at all is really pushing it
nightpool
that's what the game thought i meant by "Ji Hengsheng can save everything?"
Fuck off
Zerovirus
or, well, he tells se yue, but not us, and se yue's like 'sure that might work'
antics over, dormitory at the start of the second day now.

In order for the 《Terminal Plan》 to work, I had to make sure everything went just as it had originally.

and so we get in bed, with ji hengsheng, for the last time- or so we believe.
jjjqance
^_^
Zerovirus
Same dialogue as before, slightly different thoughts all centered around how much Wu Shi cares about her. Not going to translate this scene again! You can pretty much imagine how it goes.
oh, a change in dialogue!
nightpool
oh no
she's not going to propose to us now is she :(
jjjqance
don't you dare, you fucker
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: I could see myself liking her, sure.

I had to say this, in order for the 《Terminal Plan》to work.

jjjqance
fuckkkkkkkkk
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: ..........oh.

jjjqance
i guess that makes sense
we broke her heart so she'll live on
wait we might actually die with se yue this time
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: .....Well, promise this, then!

Ji Hengsheng: If you do fall in love with her someday,

Ji Hengsheng: Make sure you let me know about it!

Zerovirus
god. i mean, yeah, i guess, that's, the natural outcome, of all this, but then the question is how we stop ji hengsheng from going back in time after the fact.
if we die and she's not stopped she turns into S and all that.
For breakfast and lunch of the next day, everyone hangs out together, all five of the major characters!
jjjqance
because we rejected her!
Zerovirus
god we don't even get a new quirky scene so far
Wu Shi just describes how well all of them are getting along with each other
Zerovirus

My two good friends were the best people in the world, and Se Yue wasn't nearly as haughty as she imagined herself to be.

I was sure that, if things continued on like this, they'd surely become best friends who'd talk with each other about anything and everything.

Sadly, I wouldn't live to see it.

Joyful times always passed so quickly.

Finally, it was time for the bonfire.

time for the bonfire
boooonfire
No changes to Ji Hengsheng's speech, same as before.
jjjqance
my heart breaking
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Hengsheng.

Wu Shi: Please wait for me at the station, once the trip is over.

Wu Shi: I'll give you my reply then.

Ji Hengsheng opened her eyes wide, and then, with a fierce blush, nodded lightly.

She must have been shocked that I'd set a date for a reply to her proposal so soon.

oh thank god it's not a total rejection
jjjqance
how the fuck is this gonna make her not go S
Zerovirus
Se Yue shows up.

Se Yue: Wu Shi. It's about time to go.

Wu Shi: Mmm, got it.

i'unno. possibility- se yue guns the train and rushes the endline so they arrive before wu shi's meant to die?
so wu shi can properly un-confess, and by the time wu shi dies, se yue's driven the train so far away that ji hengsheng can't get to it anymore?
that's what i might try i guess

I dropped Hengsheng's hand and walked to Se Yue's ide.

Seeing the two of us, Hengsheng instinctively reached her hand out, like she was trying to keep me with her.

But ultimately she pulled her hand back, composed herself, and smiled.

Ji Hengsheng: Shi-chan, don't forget our agreement! I'll be waiting for you at the end of the trip, in the station.

Wu Shi: Yeah.

Wu Shi: See you later, Hengsheng.

I waved to her, lightly.

Wu Shi: Take good care of yourself from now on, okay?

fadetoblack
okay so what is your OH GOD NO
FUCK
THE HERALD OF BULLSHIT TECHNOBABBLE
NO
GOD NO
JaxThePyro
lol
Zerovirus
EVERY TIME THIS ICON COMES UP SE YUE GIVES A BULLSHIT LECTURE THAT MAKES NO SENSE
nightpool
with any luck she's just going to tell us the same thing we already know
re: two people dying and needing at least one loop
Zerovirus

We sat in the front cabin of the car. Se Yue and Qian Yuan were listening attentively to me.

Wu Shi: There's one anomaly in the previous loops that I must bring to your attention. It is of vital importance.

Zerovirus

Wu Shi: During one of the loops, I heard you, young mistress, reveal the secrets of your heart to me while my head was in your lap. Presumably you'd thought I was asleep, but I heard everything.

Se Yue: ...I see. Did I reveal anything of tactical importance that time?

Wu Shi: Nah.

Wu Shi: I just wanted to let you know that you're so cute when you think you're alone.

Wu Shi: That's it.

Se Yue: .........

i am torn by this scene. on the one hand i fucking LOVE it when wu shi trolls people.
on the other hand i do NOT love it when wu shi flirts with se yue.
but alas,
this is the route we're on
jjjqance
how come we didn't get any top tier flirting in the JI route
what a rip off
this game unironically thinks Se Yue is best girl
i should have remembered the golden rule
the childhood friend always loses
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: You're the most adorable ojou-sama I've ever met.

you're the ONLY one he's ever met,

Wu Shi: So adorable that I wish you'd stay like this forever, even to the point of making me want to imagine that the other Se princess was a fake-

aaaaaaaaaaa

Se Yue: Are you DONE YET?! GET TO THE POINT!!

Zerovirus
JaxThePyro
Wu Shi has never called Ji Hengsheng cute
Zerovirus
well, yeah, that is consistent
Zerovirus
wu shi describes ji hengsheng as someone he knows so well that he can't get a crush on her, because to have a crush a sense of novelty is needed
he probably unironically doesn't think ji hengsheng is that cute because he's just taken her completely for granted
Zerovirus

Qian Yuan: No, no, keep going, Wu Shi!

Qian Yuan: I'd love to hear more about what the young mistress says when she thinks she's alone-

Se Yue: YOU'RE FIRED ALL OF YOU ARE FIRED.

Se Yue: WU SHI YOU'RE FIRED TOO.

Wu Shi: I don't even work for you, lady.

nightpool
which is something this game is so wrong about btw
Zerovirus

Se Yue: J-just get to the point already.

Wu Shi: Okay, fine.

Wu Shi: So, the thing about that dreamlike confession you made- no matter how many times you looped, I never actually saw it happen again in a context where I was sure that it was physically real.

Wu Shi: Which made me think.

Wu Shi: Maybe it wasn't happening in the now, but rather...

Wu Shi: In the future?

nightpool
sigh
JaxThePyro
Wait what
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Maybe we've all been misinformed about the machine. If it's a time machine, maybe it doesn't just send our consciousnesses to the past- but also, potentially, to the future?

Se Yue and Qian Yuan sat up attentively, at this, and Se Yue grabbed a biscuit straw while she was at it.

yeah see i told you
whenever that icon comes up in the timestamp
be ready for another fucking volley of bullshit technobabble nonsense
Benedict
oh god
Zerovirus
and completely fucking wild guesses out of literally nowhere
Benedict
how could se yue possibly not already know this
jjjqance
hmm
well we did hallucinate S that one time
Zerovirus
y'know, you just accidentally invent time machines that send consciousnesses both ways
by accident
jjjqance
let's try to guess what the technobabble is gonna be
time-reversed physics?
something about stuff moving both ways to balance out?
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Normally, the process for operating the machine is a three-step process, right?

1: Add the train cars

2: Place the fuel

3: Recite the command word to send the user's consciousness to the past

Se Yue: I see.

Se Yue: So you're theorizing that, if we reverse the three-step process, we'll get the opposite effect and send our consciousness to the future?

i cannot believe i've actually found a game that unironically goes, 'hey, maybe, reversed stupidity, IS in fact intelligence', and means it wholeheartedly
i cannot believe it
this is where we're at folks!!!
jjjqance
...
i never would have guessed this
Zerovirus

Qian Yuan: Is such a thing... even possible?

Se Yue: Theoretically, it seems possible.

THEORETICALLY HUH
YEAH SURE
OKAY
YEP
SURE
OKAY
SURE
THEORETICALLY
YEAH
OKAY
SURE
i'm sorry i can't fucking- i-
jjjqance
i mean sure
if they have a way to go back in time
they can invent a way to go forward in time by reversing the steps!!!!!
Zerovirus
what's next? if you rotate the train car and fuel 90 degrees and rot13 the command word, you get the ability to use the tour of time to travel through space rather than time???
👍 2
nightpool
to be fair they did that in willy wonka
jjjqance
i can't wait until they're like, we need to reverse the direction the train goes in, so we have to take off the steering wheel and put it on backwards
Zerovirus

Se Yue: By adding new numbers in the form of train cars and compressing the clock, it's possible to travel to the past.

Se Yue: So, if we remove numbers from the clock, it is indeed possible the user's consciousness could travel to the future.

please
i'm dying
i need someone to send my consciousness to the future where the game has already been translated, so i don't have to sit through more of this
jjjqance
THEYRE INVENTING TIME TRAVEL INTO THE FUTURE
Zerovirus

Qian Yuan: Okay, but how does this help us?

Qian Yuan: This kind of travel into the future is likely constrained by the end of the loop.

Qian Yuan: And the end of the loop is just where you die, Wu Shi.

Qian Yuan: All this does is let you skip directly to dying at the hands of fate, doesn't it?

jjjqance
noooo it's like clipping through a wall
you just skip past the death point and then you're good
nightpool
i would not be surprised if that is
unironically what he's going to suggest
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: That's fine. In fact, we have no need to prevent the disaster from happening.

Wu Shi: From the 14th train car we learned that, once cause and effect are locked in, they can't be changed.

The Grandfather Paradox couldn't be violated.

Cause and Effect were like two ends; once a Cause was formed, no matter how twisted the path, it must eventually reach the Effect.

And because of that, no compromise on my death could be made.

Wu Shi: But, we can turn things around, and use the Grandfather Paradox to our advantage, this way.

Wu Shi: By using this principle, we can prevent Hengsheng from using the Tour of Time with complete certainty.

i,
what
how
jjjqance
¯\(ツ)
nightpool
how is it that each chapter of this game is twice as bad as the previous one
Zerovirus

Qian Yuan: How?

Wu Shi: Simple. Let's say that we send someone to the future.

Wu Shi: As long as this time-traveler can meet Hengsheng in the future, then the problem is solved.

yeah, okay, i see where you're going, but you're really making a lot of assumptions, like Ji Hengsheng even being there for you to meet.
jjjqance
time travel. we're going backwards trhough the writers' drafts
nightpool
oh right it's because it throws out everything it's told us up until this point every single chapter
Zerovirus
i guess this way you can... see what it looks like AFTER the go back time machine has activated?
nightpool
so further through the game, there's more stuff for it to throw out!
jjjqance
this makes no sense
what if they go to the future and she isn't there
oh zero already said this
Zerovirus
wu shi wants to send someone to the future to meet ji hengsheng, so that retroactively it can be confirmed that ji hengsheng was there in the future to be met, implying that she couldn't have gone back in time, yeah, except why would she be there
why wouldn't she just not be there
se yue is doing more chalkboard drawings make her stop
it's some bullshit visual metaphor about this being like digging a tunnel under a river and i do not give a shit
we get what you're saying you don't need a metaphor
jjjqance
the reason is probably something like "i told hengsheng to meet me there. and when i travel forward to meet her, 'it hasn't happened yet' [from my perspective] that she turns into S, so she'll definitely be there"
which makes NO SENSE
Zerovirus
hm. pitting ji hengsheng's love for wu shi against the power of cosmic fate to force her to use the time machine.
that almost makes sense if you think of this ONLY as a narrative.
jjjqance
ok but u could do that without going to the future
Zerovirus
also wu shi isn't going to be alive at that point in the future so
Zerovirus
really he should have told her to wait for se yue or something
anyways, having agreed that this is all sensible and a reasonable plan, Qian Yuan asks Se Yue about how they're going to actually do this

Se Yue: We'll reverse the process for going back in time.

1: Reduce the number of train cars.

2: Add fuel.

3: Speak the activation phrase and send the user's consciousness to the future.

i just absolutely love how they treat the time machine in this game as- basically an occult ritual.
nobody knows how it works!
they just know that, put in some inputs, get some certain outputs!
otherwise it's completely unpredictable!
jjjqance
what they should actually do is send ji forward in time to meet Wu Shi, in order to convince her that he will definitely be there are be alive at that time. [and not tell her that Wu Shi is ALSO moving forward in time via the same method]
Zerovirus
we might as WELL be working with a time demon.
god.
jjjqance
abslutely incredible plan
Zerovirus
okay y'know what
i am
going to cut it here
because i am actually physically exhausted
this is not a natural cutoff point, the story's still in the middle of a scene
but i don't give a shit, all this technobabble has worn down my energy
god.
time was a mistake
in the beginning god created linear time and immediately regretted it
'fuck', he said, 'god damn it', he said after that, 'shit ass crap'
JaxThePyro
smh it’s not going to work because they won’t say the activation phrase backwards
Zerovirus
shouldn't they take the fuel out to really make it go backwards
i cannot believe this reverse magic logic
Zerovirus
i'd call this hollywood logic but hollywood logic is usually way better than this
Zerovirus
wait really
i haven't finished that series
JaxThePyro
how are they actually going to reduce the number of train cars
Zerovirus
everyone i know keeps telling me to finish it
but i've been putting it off
jjjqance
still expecting the reveal that all this has just been hints that se yue has been lying the whole time
nightpool
no i haven't finished it either i was just saying based on the first two books
Zerovirus
god, i guess, he really has invented a new theorem
he's really going to try
to solve all of this
with his brand new theorem of time
fuck
rail of mobius lives rent-free in my head where i mentally scream at it endlessly
Zerovirus
how is the game going to explore all the fucking implications of this
we're in the ENDING
this is too late to introduce a bomb like 'future time travel'!!!
JaxThePyro
We still don’t know who told Ji Hengsheng about time travel
nightpool
yeah the fact that wu shi isn't even like. curious about that
at all
is deeply confusing to me
either way i doubt we're going to figure anything out about that this ending
JaxThePyro
If both of them dying was ending 2 then what are the odds this one is ending 1
Like how many endings are there and where’s the last branch for changing it