Part 13

Zerovirus
everyone's playing elden ring these days but screw that, we here for the og circular visual metaphor. TIME FOR MORE RAIL OF MOBIUS
god where did i leave off
i vaguely remember leaving off at a terrible midpoint juncture
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noice mobius time
Deleted User
time to turn off your brain meats
Zerovirus
we were in the middle of operation back to the future which presumably goes to the se yue ending.
right.
JaxThePyro
you get to translate more technobabble
Deleted User
accept the technobabble
LOVE THE TECHNOBABBLE
nightpool
fuck the technobabble I WANNA SEE MORE JI HENGSHENG 😭
Zerovirus

Qian Yuan: Sounds simple but I have a question about that second one.

Qian Yuan: Normally, putting in fuel means that we put the dead in the very final train car.

well you see qian yuan we can reverse that... by removing a living person from the first train car. this is logic.

Qian Yuan: But right now we're in the very first loop of the world of the 16th train car, and nobody's died yet, right?

Qian Yuan: Unless the young mistress would like for me to make a tribute of myself immediately-

Qian Yuan reached into her pocket where I knew she had a handgun.

Wu Shi: CALM the FUCK down.

Benedict
oh boy time for se yue to continue saying things that don't make sense
Deleted User
man qian goes 0 to 100 real quick
she just carries a gun on her person
like?!?!?!?
JaxThePyro
she carries both a gun and a Pokémon oppai mousepad on her person
utterly terrifying
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Zerovirus

Wu Shi: If we reverse everything, it probably means we're not putting in dead people.

Qian Yuan: Reversing it... so, putting in living people instead?

Se Yue: The original design of the Tour of Time utilized corpses whose perception of time was diminished, to forcibly create a nonexistent time to compress the clock and change absolute time.

oh god here we go

Se Yue: So, if we reverse that, it means we need to utilize 《People Who Have Greater Perception Of Time》as fuel.

alright se yue what the fuck does that mean
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brain meat goes off
JaxThePyro
I actually don’t have any real guesses for who that would be
Drugs?
Zerovirus

Qian Yuan: People with greater perceptions of time... what kind of people would those be?

Se Yue: Why, I see one of them talking to another one, right in front of me.

Se Yue: You two have experienced far more loops than any normal person, and thus possess far more memories and experiences of time than any other person here.

So the past loops weren't completely meaningless, then.

It was only because we'd had all of that 'time' that we could do this now.

Se Yue: The conditions are met.

Se Yue: The two of you will make for top-quality fuel.

Se Yue: By burning the two of you, I'll be able to leap through time, and arrive at the future.

god, like, the music and tone is making it clear this isn't another insane plan from her and that her plan probably doesn't involve literally burning us alive,
but at this point like
how would you know that was the case
like in what context is

The two of you will make for top-quality fuel. By burning the two of you, I'll be able to leap through time, and arrive at the future.

not a horrifying villain speech
...this context, apparently
nightpool
god if this is the good ending and I don't even get a Third Ending I am going to FLIP so hard
zero
zero you don't even know
you don't even know how hard I'm going to flip
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Zerovirus
anyways uh fade to black. next scene- still in the vip cabin.

After finishing her speech, Se Yue grabbed pen and paper, and scrawled a huge amount of incomprehensible equations down.

Se Yue: Alright, that's the way it'll be.

After everything was ready, Se Yue stood up.

right, because, that's how geniuses work, right? they scrawl a lot of incomprehensible equations down and that somehow... works... to allow... you to... do things.

Se Yue: The calibration's finished.

Wu Shi: ...That was fast.

...so... the scrawled equations... were the calibration....???
what do they have to do with the time machine??
the game hasn't shown ANYBODY operating the time machine in any way other than 'speak the magic phrase and wait for it to do its thing'.
what do you mean, calibration. this is just fucking occultism dressed up in STEM keywords.
Zerovirus

Se Yue: Qian Yuan, ready?

Qian Yuan: Of course, madam.

Se Yue: Just as with the rules for turning back time, the consciousnesses of both the user and the fuel will both be sent to the future.

Se Yue: But because you haven't died yet, Qian Yuan, even at the future, you won't suffer Lost Time Syndrome.

Se Yue: Once we reach the future, I'll go find Hengsheng, and to prevent exigencies, Qian Yuan, you'll go find Yu Guang.

Qian Yuan: Basically, just delay'em so they can't use the Tour of Time, right?

Se Yue: Precisely.

right, and i'm sure that fate's not going to make any of that go wrong just because you're in the future, either
Zerovirus
Before the two of them leave, Wu Shi hazards a random guess.

Wu Shi: So, I'm just guessing, but, Qian Yuan, is the reason why Yu Guang has a crush on you because you two met during the fire incident of last year at some point?

Qian Yuan looked at me with surprise.

So that was it, huh.

Looks like the two of them had a story that I wasn't privy to, then.

That must have been why, even though Yu Guang had no memories of the loops back then, some lingering traces of the emotions he'd felt for Qian Yuan must have stuck around.

Qian Yuan: ...How'd you find out?

Wu Shi: Oh, call it best-friend's-intuition.

His appreciation for you clearly exceeded the amount that one could accumulate over a single normal school year.

Wu Shi: Honestly, harder to not notice, really.

...uh, sure, i guess. does this count as Yu Guang Backstory???
i guess yu guang and qian yuan are, implicitly, the protagonists of the Incident From One Year Ago, which happened offscreen and which we will surely never get to visit on-screen.
Zerovirus

Qian Yuan: It's as you guessed.

Qian Yuan: I'd rather not speak overly much on the fire a year ago,

Qian Yuan: But...

Qian Yuan: I owe him.

Qian Yuan: I don't have the right to accept his feelings.

The incident from one year ago, it seemed, would be a scar on Qian Yuan's heart forever.

Hopefully Yu Guang could help her heal, eventually.

But now wasn't the time to ask in detail, anyways.

Se Yue: That's enough about Qian Yuan, for now.

Se Yue: Let's get back to business and jump to the future.

Zerovirus
(note: qian yuan saying 'i owe him' is ambiguous in its original meaning; it might also mean 'i wronged him' or 'i betrayed him', even, depending on how severely she meant it. she's being very coy about what exactly it is she got up to.)
Zerovirus
Se Yue rushes us to hurry up. She also says that, since this is a dangerous experiment, she wants Wu Shi to handle the control crest to reattach the detached train car back, after 15 minutes pass. (Since part of this involves detaching the train car, and all that. Opposite of adding a new train car, etc.) She predicts that this will allow her consciousness to return to the present.

Se Yue: This does mean we'll only have fifteen minutes, though.

Wu Shi: It'll be enough. As long as you do as I instructed, you'll definitely be able to meet Hengsheng, and stop her.

Everything I'd set up was leading forward to this.

That was why I needed Se Yue and Ji Hengsheng to become friends, and why I behaved and spoke in the specific ways I did.

alright, sure, you've got a plan! and since it's an unspoken plan guarantee, maybe it'll even work!

Ji Hengsheng would surely be waiting in the train station for my response, since I'd promised to give her a response there.

Se Yue: Well then, we'll be off.

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wu shi, planning? Impossible
Zerovirus

Se Yue spoke the control phrase.

Se Yue: Detach the train car after the eleventh train car.

oh, okay, the control phrase gives total admin access huh
it's not just for one function
it controls the whole train
wild

Because we needed the train to be shorter than the way it started, we detached every single train car after the eleventh train car.

JaxThePyro
do I want to know how detaching and reattaching moving train cars works?
Zerovirus
clunk sound.

The Tour of Time shook wildly.

Se Yue: Target time, December 3rd, 13th Hour.

you can target the point where you show up in the future???

Wu Shi: Sorry 'bout making you do something so unpleasant, lady.

Se Yue: It's fine.

Perhaps this was what it looked like to activate the time machine, from the outside? Both Se Yue and Qian Yuan were glowing with light.

Se Yue: After all, I'm an easily misunderstood person.

so... wu shi's plan involves se yue being misunderstood by ji hengsheng??
jjjqance
gahh i always get annoyed when it's like 'oh people have subconsious memories of other timelines that they didn't physically experience'
Zerovirus
Se Yue solemnly promises to save the one Wu Shi loves, and then... collapses to the floor unconscious. As does Qian Yuan Which is as expected! Their consciousnesses are in the 'future', after all.
Zerovirus
to be fair this game established deja vu a long time ago. we just weren't expecting it to be plot-relevant.
also, god
can you fucking believe
that this bullshit WORKED
'do everything backwards and maybe you go into the FUTURE', god
JaxThePyro
must have been some very impressive calibrations Se Yue performed earlier
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real skill doodlez
Zerovirus
Wu Shi worries for fifteen minutes about what if something goes wrong. What if the detached train cars can't be reattached for some reason? What if Se Yue and Qian Yuan just stay catatonic forever?
jjjqance
wait i thought the plan was for wu shi to go into the future and meet Ji?
Zerovirus
His worries turn out to be unfounded! After fifteen minutes pass and he reattaches the detached train cars, the two girls come back just as anticipated.
Zerovirus
no, apparently it was for... se yue to go into the future and meet ji?? for some reason?? and we still don't know what he told se yue to DO in the future.
which, to be clear, he didn't
exactly tell us it was going to be se yue going into the future
until the last possible moment
damn the unspoken plan guarantee
...though their expressions don't make it look like the plan was successful.
jjjqance
oh right i guess the plan didn't hinge on it being him
Zerovirus
who could have thought.
...or not!

Wu Shi: How'd it go?

Se Yue: ...I think the plan succeeded...

Se Yue's expression looked rather gloomy, for some reason.

Se Yue: I can guarantee, at least, that Ji Hengsheng won't be using the Tour of Time before we reach Terminal Station.

jjjqance
god this plan makes no sense
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: That's good! Oh, that's such a relief.

Se Yue: ....

Se Yue: ...You two take a step outside for a moment.

Wu Shi: Eh?

Se Yue: Didn't you hear me? Go step outside, shoo.

She pushed both of us out the door before we could raise an objection.

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when has it ever?
Zerovirus
we don't know much about it! all we know is, using nonsense technobabble that WORKS because i guess that's just how it works in this setting and we need to accept it now, they sent se yue into the future to... do or say SOMETHING to ji hengsheng, and se yue came back reporting that it worked.
i wouldn't so much call the plan stupid as incomprehensible.
in the literal sense that we don't know enough about it to comprehend it, yet.
jjjqance
i mean the plan that we learned about the last time
didn't make any sense
Zerovirus
Aaaand now we're in the corridor./
nightpool
well, se yue's gloomy expression gives me hope
Zerovirus
Wu Shi grouses about Se Yue's bizarre behavior. Qian Yuan says that it's probably because Se Yue is about to lose her composure and doesn't want us seeing it.
nightpool
"Ji Hengsheng won't use the tour of time because she hates Wu Shi now"
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: ...What did she run into in the future that made her lose her composure??

Qian Yuan: Sighs. You know, despite being bound by the Se Family Rules since childhood, I've always hoped that the young mistress could be able to relax sometime.

Qian Yuan: Wu Shi-senpai, do your best, I'm rooting for you!

Wu Shi: Eh??

Wu Shi: W-wait. Qian Yuan, you just made an expression other than 'calm smile'??

Qian Yuan: I- did?

okay, i want to show you a screenshot of this supposed newly regained expressiveness that qian yuan has just displayed
but i cannot for the life of me
tell what they're talking about
qian yuan has always been pretty damn expressive??
she has expression facesets like every other character in this visual novel?????????
jjjqance
the tsundere paradox
Zerovirus

Qian Yuan: That can't be... not since one year ago...?

Wu Shi: ?

Qian Yuan: I... don't remember... anymore...?

i'm sorry WHAT
QIAN YUAN JUST LOST ALL HER MEMORIES OF THE LOOPS FROM ONE YEAR AGO.
WHAT THE FUCK.
actually this is really good for us
jjjqance
what
Zerovirus
if nobody can remember the loops from one year ago then we could go back and it's not like qian yuan could contradict us!
like isn't that one of the biggest hazards to time travelers? 'something you would do contradicts a memory of someone who was there, therefore you couldn't have done that thing'
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what
Zerovirus
i guess the travel-to-the-future process burns away your... memories of past loops as fuel???
which is... hm.
okay this opens up
a lot of strategic implications.
we've established that we can indefinitely loop here on this train so long as SOMEONE remembers every single loop (like wu shi does) so they can fill in the next person to take over the time machine, which means we have infinite loopers, which means we have infinite looper memories to burn as fuel for going to the future
so... theoretically, we might be able to go
both indefinitely far into the past, AND indefinitely far into the future?
this has got to be exploitable.
jjjqance
right doesn't it use up their increased perception of time as fuel
nightpool
except Not Wu Shi's Because He's Awesome
Zerovirus
that does seem to be what the story is implying!
jjjqance
ohh
it's possible this has happened before!
nightpool
maybe it has and he just hasn't tried to remember it yet
jjjqance
like the deja vu kinda-memories he had at the very beginning
Zerovirus
fade to black, new timestamp.
third day, one hour before wu shi's meant to die.
vip cabin.
Zerovirus

At first we were all freaked out by Qian Yuan's loss of loop memories,

But, after thinking about it, it wasn't such a bad thing, y'know? Being able to regain her expressiveness and forget her past pain wasn't really even a bad deal for Qian Yuan.

It was Se Yue that I was more worried about. I didn't know what she'd seen in the future, but ever since she returned to the present she'd locked herself in her room and refused to come out.

hm.

It wasn't the first time we'd seen her do something like that, I supposed. She'd buried herself in her room in the fourteenth train car as well, and she certainly had the financial assets to become a NEET if she wanted.

Truly, the more you got to know the young lady, the more you saw her flaws.

Wu Shi: Heyo, I'm comin' in.

Se Yue: Wu Shi?

Wu Shi: It's only an hour before I'm going to die! Don't you want to see me one last time?

That does the trick and she lets Wu Shi in.
nightpool
wu shi couldn't go to the future otherwise he would have met himself and exploded
jjjqance
god like
the informed attributeness
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: So, what're you up to, princess?

Wu Shi: Trying to figure out a way to cheat the system and save me again?

Se Yue: ....

Wu Shi: Ha, guessed it, didn't I.

Wu Shi: Give it up, princess. You can't cheat time. Just accept that I'm going to die so that nobody else gets dragged into this.

Se Yue: ...Hengsheng cried.

Wu Shi: She cried?

Se Yue: Yes. I didn't realize- how cruel your plan for her was, until I arrived in the future and saw the effect it had on her.

Wu Shi: ...Still better than having her turn into S or dying.

Se Yue: ...I just need a bit more time.

Se Yue: There's got to be a way to save everyone and get a perfect ending.

Wu Shi: Absolutely NOT.

Se Yue: But-

Wu Shi: No, absolutely not, I've SEEN the loops where you get hung up on that. Do NOT do that again.

Se Yue: But... I cannot fail...

oh god wu shi stop provoking her you fuck
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can'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfail
nightpool
you know, I was going to say "the reason i'm most surprised by this whole "Se Yue learns something shocking that she has to lock herself in her room rather then talk about" is that it implies that se yue can know things that other characters don't also immediately already know, a well-known weak spot of our authors."
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jjjqance
ok yeah ji crying when he doesn't show up makes sense
nightpool
but then the story definitely proved me wrong
because wu shi knew exactly what it was
so
\gestures helplessly
Zerovirus
emotional piano music starts playing!

I hugged Se Yue and stopped her from descending any deeper into the despair spiral.

Wu Shi: You haven't failed, okay?

Wu Shi: In the world of the 13th train car, I saw the depths of the feelings that Hengsheng had for me.

Wu Shi: In the world of the 14th train car, I witnesses for myself your relentless determination.

Wu Shi: In the world of the 15th train car, I saw the you that, despite not remembering anything that came before, still reached a helping hand out to me- the you that was the Se family princess.

Se Yue: And if you die then all of that will have been wasted effort and none of it will have been worth-

Wu Shi: You're wrong.

Wu Shi: Because of all of those previous experiences, I've become capable of accepting my own demise.

Even though I was still attached to this world, I imagined I'd surely become a person that the me of the very first loop wouldn't even recognize by now.

That alone made me thankful for everything, up to now.

Zerovirus

Wu Shi: And, I remember now.

Wu Shi: The person who saved me at the disaster a year ago- that was you, wasn't it?

Se Yue: Eh??

Wu Shi: I mean, I should have realized it sooner.

If even I can't save you, then nobody could save you.

Wu Shi: That's exactly literally your catchphrase, princess.

Perhaps in the many loops leading up to the final loop, it'd been Qian Yuan's brother who saved me in that fire and died afterwards; I had no way of knowing, since I had no direct memories of those loops.

But in the very final loop, the person who struck down Qian Yuan's nightmare and saved me as well, was, without a doubt, Se Yue.

...no, i'm pretty sure that was a 'what the fuck do you mean' from se yue
not a 'how did you realize???'
Deleted User
whattt???
my suspension of disbelief breaks here
Su Yue being the savior?
no
jjjqance
omg the magic knowing of things
Deleted User
maybe we need to accept that wu shi is the time god after all
Zerovirus
to be fair, this is a hanging question that the story has been keeping open the entire time
the identity of the 'mysterious savior'
who uses the same catchphrase that, later on, se yue uses, all the damn time, out loud, and in her own internal narration as well
the obvious answer is 'se yue saved wu shi' somehow, but i haven't really been putting the spotlight on this mystery because, come on, it's not going to be that simple
jjjqance
i had completely forgotten the savior used the catchphrase
nightpool
obviously it was Yu Guang
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Zerovirus
what's almost certainly true is that somehow the true mysterious savior picks up this catchphrase from se yue somehow
but there's a million ways that could happen really
everyone in the damn cast is a friend to se yue at this point
anyways, continuing!
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Really, that means that I was saved by you long, long ago.

Wu Shi: Ever after that, I've been wondering to myself, if there was something different about the meaning of my life, now.

Wu Shi: But now I understand.

Wu Shi: The meaning of everything up to now has been so that I could stand before you, now, and tell you:

Wu Shi: Thank you for saving me, back then- and for choosing not to save me, now.

Se Yue: I...

Whatever she was going to say was choked back by a rush of obvious emotion, which she had to put all of her energy into suppressing, probably because of some family rule or another.

Wu Shi: I'm grateful to you for giving me the chance to meet you properly.

Wu Shi: I'm grateful to you for all the time you've spent for my sake.

Wu Shi: I'm grateful to the Tour of Time, and to these loops.

I smiled.

there is, a phrase, in the rat community, that goes something like, 'he who sidles up to the darkness so that he can declare himself its master'?
this is so absolutely fucking that.
at the end of the day, with no way out from inevitable death, wu shi turns... to rationalizing it as all For A Greater Purpose And Meaning in the end.
JaxThePyro
there’s some very questionable pro-suicide framing here
Zerovirus
if you were really grateful to the tour of time you know what you'd be doing?
you'd BE SHOUTING TRAIN FACTS AGAIN
i will not believe that you're really okay with the helltrain until you start shouting TRAIN FACTS again!!!
Zerovirus
thaaaaat's deathism!!!
#kamrusepa_best_girl
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continuing again, because this is a significant scene and i ought to translate it completely
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: I'm glad to have the opportunity to decide how to say farewell to the world before I die.

Wu Shi: So, no matter how many times I loop, I'll always come to you and tell you, that you haven't failed.

I pulled away from her slightly, and she immediately lowered her head, hiding her expression from me.

Oh, this was probably a good time to let her know how I saw her. I'd told her in past loops but I hadn't gotten around to it in this loop, yet.

Wu Shi: Maybe nobody can stand by your side, but I can see through to your true nature, and I know who you are.

Wu Shi: Someone who displays an incredible pride despite the curses she bears- that's the you I know.

Wu Shi: You're not just a hollow shell bearing only a meaningless title of princess; the you shaped by and who lives by her own rules is the true you.

Wu Shi: And to me-

Wu Shi: The real Se Yue is the Se Yue who looks and acts like the princess of the Se family.

Wu Shi: And- that's the you I like most, too.

that's fucking right, we confess to se yue in the se yue route
AND WE DON'T CONFESS TO HENGSHENG IN THE JI HENGSHENG ROUTE
this is a COSMIC UNFAIRNESS
#JUSTICEFORJIHENGSHENG
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jjjqance
also being the princess of the Se family like
is kinda awful?????
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disgusting
Zerovirus
yeah like
i do not at all agree with wu shi's thesis here at all but
actually i don't really fucking know what he finds attractive about this whole 'being the princess' thing
are you just into uptight tsunderes my man
you can just say it that way it's fine
you don't need to dress it up as some kind of grand thesis
you can just say 'i like people who are uptight and have big boobs and who alternate between tsun and dere', it's fine, nobody will judge you, you'll be dead in an hour anyways
...se yue sure is locked into dere mode now
jjjqance
the golden rule, man
the childhood friend ALWAYS loses
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Zerovirus
childhood friends always lose, cute girls always turn out to be the culprit, if we think of a third rule we can make a triad
jjjqance
the mysterious girl with big boobs is always the heroine
but the writers forgot to have her do anything heroic
Deleted User
she just can'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfail
jjjqance
oh yeah and she has white hair
JaxThePyro
maids are always secret ninjas
jjjqance
and always loyal
Deleted User
ninjamaido
jjjqance
when the maids gonna form a union and demand better benefits
they better be paid DAMN well for being accomplices to the human sacrifice time machine
Zerovirus

Se Yue: I... I...

Like she was snared by something invisible and formless, she was unable to say anything despite struggling against it for a long while.

No apologizing, no thanking, no expressing the true self.

Cutting off connections to others and allowing none to stand next to her.

That was why she couldn't respond in any way to what I'd said.

Wu Shi: Well, it feels great to finally get my feelings off my chest! I can go without regrets.

Se Yue: .....

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maybe she wanted to say the savior wasn't her?
then wu shi is like N O R E G R E T S
Zerovirus

Wu Shi: Well, seeya, princess.

I turned to leave, but before I could make my exit, I felt her grab my sleeve from behind.

Se Yue: ...Before you go- how did the- previous versions of me, in the previous loops, respond to those words of yours?

Wu Shi: Hm?

Se Yue: In loops prior to this- when I heard you say these things- did I- say anything back?

Wu Shi: Nah, you never said a thing.

Se Yue: .......

Wu Shi: Relax.

Wu Shi: No matter what world or spacetime,

Wu Shi: You'll always be the Se princess that you're so proud of being.

nope! she didn't say the savior wasn't her!
i guess we're leaving that unaddressed and ambiguous up to the end!
unless i've overthought this game AGAIN
and actually that was just meant to be the ground-level truth
Deleted User
wow wu shi says the most crushing things without thought
Zerovirus
and i'm wasting my energy looking for all the ways that the story could be tricking me
JaxThePyro
yeah I think that was supposed to be a cunning deduction that totally made sense and was correct
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Zerovirus
if so, he could have made it all the way back in the 14th train car's world
why wait until now??
eh, whatever.
scene's over.
se yue kind of bucks the norm of the ojou-sama character because- she actually is proud of being an ojou-sama. like, most characters of this archetype hate the rich family they've been born into and just want to be normal, etc.
se yue actually unironically is proud of being the high-class heiress and has styled her worldview around noblesse oblige.
which is...
definitely a different way to write that character!
if, uh, not as relatable a way to do it, i guess!!!
writing a visual novel about an unironically haughty countess who actually unironically sees herself as part of a different social class in the year 2022. can you imagine.
anyways, scene over, transition screen time
huh. we're cutting right past our man's demise, then.
skipping to 40 minutes after!
are we finally going to find out just what exactly se yue does to stop ji hengsheng from going S?
we're Se Yue again now
i suppose that was to be expected!
Zerovirus

You'll always be the Se princess that you're so proud of being.

When I heard Wu Shi say that to me, my heart was filled with confusion more than anything else.

What about that 'me' was so worth being proud of?

He'd told me who I was, and gave me the answer I'd been searching for, for so long.

But I couldn't even answer his feelings.

No matter how hard I tried, it was like my mouth was sewn shut.

In the end, all I could do was let my hands go, and quietly watch Wu Shi disappear from before me.

Se Yue: So, in the end, facing an ending like this is entirely within expectations, isn't it?

Wu Shi dies very cleanly!
When his time to die comes, Se Yue detaches his car, and all the extra cars behind it, from the train.
Zerovirus
The accident only thus overturns the men's dormitory car, and hardly anybody else in the train even notices it.
Se Yue feels almost like she's made some kind of underhanded dealing with time itself, as though the timeline is saying, 'that's a good girl, see? you give me what i want and i don't need to hurt anybody else.'
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Time-chan doesn't want to hurt people
she's pretty shy
Zerovirus

So Wu Shi died, just like that, and nobody activated the Tour of Time for him.

Just how many times have you faced death, anyways?

Ten? Fifty?

Se Yue feels survivor's guilt. A lot of it.
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WHERE HAVE I SEEN THIS BEFORE?
jjjqance
yooo time god psychic beaming wu shi's feelings into se yue
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Se Yue: ...There were many things I didn't get around to telling you, too.

A year ago, I went to stop the berserking Qian Yuan.

But it was too late by then.

A massive number of bystanders had been pulled into the loops of time, and become fuel.

Seeing that hellish landscape, I almost lost my self-confidence.

If the loops stopped there, then the deaths of the fuel was guaranteed.

And Qian Yuan would have to bear the weight of those lives.

Even though I'd declared my decision with a superficial bearing of casual ease, in actuality, under the surface my self-doubt was driving me nearly insane.

Was there a better way?

Was there a way to save more people?

Was there some principle I just hadn't found in time?

...The laws of the Se family gave me strength, but sometimes, they could also back me into a corner.

Surely you'd seen me exactly like this, in some previous loop or other.

Se Yue: ...Even up until the last loop, I still thought to myself, whether I'd succeeded... or failed.

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can'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfail
nightpool

Was there a better way?

Was there a way to save more people?

i mean
there was though?
we know there was?
we proved it??
i hate this so much this makes no sense
Zerovirus

And then, you appeared.

I saved you from the depths of the flames.

Heavily injured, you were sent to the hospital, and Hengsheng rushed over immediately.

Outside the hospital I saw her embrace your wounded form, crying her eyes out.

Se Yue: It took seeing you two for me to allow myself to believe that my choices were correct.

nightpool
zero was overthinking the game agaaaaain
Zerovirus
right, yeah, at this point se yue should be going 'fuck, i should have tried stealing the time machine, fuck fuck fuck i could have FIXED it'
also... god, i
nightpool
i had that burned out of me by the ji hengsheng route
Zerovirus
might have been
but i don't want it to end this way!!!
nightpool
tough luck! look what they did to my poor ji hengsheng!
Zerovirus
i'm mad that this mystery was solved with exactly the most obvious direct clue that the story provided, with no ambiguity or twists!
how can you just solve a mystery that way!!!
Deleted User
tsk still can't believe that the savior was Su Yue
nightpool
to be fair they had us going with the ji thing for a while
i don't really feel cheated by that one even though it was pretty easy
Zerovirus
Se Yue continues on, explaining how, after the incident, she sort of enshrined Wu Shi into her mind as a totemic representation of the idea that her mind and heart are utterly unclouded and her actions are all those of justice she did the right thing in the end
and also that, because of that, she took an interest in tracking Wu Shi's recovery from the hospital
and in fact spent the whole first half of the first day of the Tour of Time trying to work up the courage to talk to Wu Shi and his friends.
Deleted User
enter stalker ojou-sama
Zerovirus
yeeeep
yep!
jjjqance
wu shi & his friends are so special
Zerovirus
Se Yue continues to feel very very sad about letting Wu Shi die, and about not saying 'i love you too' back to his confession, and about how her efforts at becoming friends were hindered about her social station, and about-

Just when I was about to let my tears fall, I felt a ray of light arise from within my mind, and steal away my consciousness.

oh, this is, probably, when Past Se Yue takes over Future Se Yue
i guess we finally get to see THAT scene??
yep, it's that scene, one hour past noon right on schedule
jjjqance
let me play you one on the world's smallest violin
nightpool
oh right she just teleports into her own brain i forgot about that
that uh. does in fact maybe explain why wu shi couldn't have travelled to the future lmao
Zerovirus
Se Yue: "wow it's so strange, why is my body crying tears???? how silly of me. i can absolutely not imagine a single thing happening recently that would cause me to be crying at all."
she actually says that.

Se Yue: Well, whatever. No time to waste.

alright let's see your plan wu shi
what was your master plan?
apparently step one is... loot wu shi's body and steal the ring hengsheng gave him.
now se yue has the marriage ring.
step two...
nightpool
MARRY JI HENGSHENG
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i can't even read this i'm so
Zerovirus

All Cause led to Effect.

All the things that Wu Shi had done were to lay down Causes that would bloom into this Effect, ultimately.

flashback to Wu Shi saying 'sure maybe I could see myself liking the princess'

flashback to Wu Shi telling Ji Hengsheng to wait for him in the station

oh, prediction: se yue tells ji hengsheng that wu shi took the ring that hengsheng gave him, and used it to propose, to se yue. that's how we get ji hengsheng to give up on resurrecting him, by being the ultimate scumbag.
nightpool
god i hate that
Deleted User
ultimate big brain can'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfail energy
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng: Shi-chan! You're here!

...she doesn't know wu shi is dead
fuck, she doesn't know wu shi is dead, because, we detached his train car, so nobody even noticed the accident at all
(despite the background being the standard total train derailment background)
(i guess that's... art and narrative desynchronizing??)
Zerovirus
fuck, she doesn't know wu shi is dead, so se yue is about to tell her that she, the princess, will take care of wu shi from now on
jjjqance
any plan that involves betraying someone for their good is sucks
Zerovirus
and that wu shi doesn't want to talk to her again, because once he marries into the se family he can't be seen talking to a different girl or what the fuck ever
nightpool
stop predicting just rip the bandaid off! come on!
Zerovirus
that's totally what's about to happen isn't it
tl;dr: that is exactly what is happening
well, i was off on some of the details. se yue doesn't directly say 'i'm taking your boyfriend', ji hengsheng comes to that conclusion of her own accord and se yue just nods and goes with it. presumably wu shi anticipated she'd have such a reaction.
se yue also says that wu shi will be taking a long trip to learn high-society manners and other important skills befitting the husband of the se family heiress.
and that he may not be returning for some time.
Deleted User
wow se yue was a ntr fan the whole time
Zerovirus

And then, later, I would use the Se family's advanced technologies and resources to compose digital deepfakes of Wu Shi, and send Ji Hengsheng falsified videos of him living with me and reporting his status to Ji Hengsheng, to create the illusion that he was still alive.

wow okay
jjjqance
LOL
Zerovirus
we're really going to fucking witch's illusion this shit huh
nightpool
lmao
jjjqance
lololol
Deleted User
wowowoowow
this was her best solution?
Zerovirus

Best Girl: I understand.

Se Yue: Well then, take care.

I turned curtly and tried my best to exit the conversation as quickly as I could, but Hengsheng wasn't letting me go.

She grabbed my hand.

Best Girl: Yue-chan, wait.

Se Yue: Hmm?

I'd been through a lot of tribulations as the heiress, but I...

I was afraid to turn around, to see just what expression Ji Hengsheng had, on her face.

jjjqance
FUCK HER UPPPP
Deleted User
FIGHTFIGHTFIGHT
WOOORRRLLLDDSSSTTAARRR
jjjqance
i don't really expect this twist but i want this to be the actual S origin story
nightpool
Se Yue: So now you absolutely don't need to use the time machine to go rescue his charred corpse from the underseas tunnel Ji: the what
Zerovirus

Ji Hengsheng, Forever Best Girl Fuck You Se Yue Ji Hengsheng For Life #HengshengSquad: Even from my own limited perspective... I'm so glad that Shi-chan chose you.

Her voice sounded so joyful.

Ji Hengsheng: Thank you for accepting him.

Ji Hengsheng: It might be difficult for you to tell, but over time I'm sure you'll find out all the wonderful things there is to love about him!

Ji Hengsheng: He may speak in a straightforward way, but Shi-chan is a gentler person than you could imagine.

I knew.

Ji Hengsheng: And though he's not all that smart, for those who are most important to him, he'll demonstrate incredible motivation.

I knew that too.

Ji Hengsheng: And he may look lackadaisical, but he always follows through on his promises and never misses his arrangements.

I knew that, as well.

Ji Hengsheng: So- so-

Ji Hengsheng: So he'll surely cherish you!

I knew.

I've always known.

Ji Hengsheng: You two are a perfect couple. I wish from the bottom of my heart for happiness for you two!

Ji Hengsheng: Let Shi-chan know I said all that, okay?

Ji Hengsheng: Let him know that... even if the one he picked wasn't me, in the end...

Ji Hengsheng: He will surely still find happiness.

no fight
just ji hengsheng being ji hengsheng, consistently, until the end
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😭
Zerovirus
Se Yue finally looks back and sees that Ji Hengsheng is smile-crying, and it makes her feel completely disgusted at what she's doing to Ji Hengsheng.
Se Yue says some pleasantries, though she's in such a stupor she doesn't really remember what exactly she said. She's just running off of High Society Politeness Training Autopilot at this point.
Zerovirus
and then she really cry.
and then, se yue, seeing her cry,
goes,
'wait a moment, what'
'fuck i FORGOT'
'how did i FORGET'
'HOW DID SHE DISCOVER THE FACT THAT THIS THING HAS A TIME MACHINE?!'
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'SHE WAS THE ORIGINAL S BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW SHE BECAME S IN THE FIRST PLACE STILL'
nightpool
lmaoooooooo
Zerovirus
'WHO TOLD HER THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TOUR OF TIME??? WHO IS BEHIND THE MAID CO-CONSPIRATORS?!?!'
nightpool
i mean now that we know se yue has like 50% of her emotional self-worth tied up in ji hengsheng it makes more sense now lol
Zerovirus
'FUCK I ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES BEFORE I GO BACK TO THE PAST WHY DID I JUST FORGET'
nightpool
are you fucking with us
Zerovirus
i'm not
nightpool
you're fucking with me aren't you
this feels like a zero-level plot twist
god
Zerovirus
no i'm fucking not the game is asking me

Who is the true S?

nightpool
Yu Guang
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Deleted User
NO WAY
jjjqance
WHATTTT
Deleted User
seriously?
nightpool
Se Yue
Zerovirus
like what the shit, se yue, you pick NOW to wonder??
jjjqance
wtffff
Deleted User
what are the options?
Zerovirus
watching your only friend other than qian yuan crying on the floor, your brain goes to 'hmmmm wait it's the ending but i haven't solved all the mysteries yet, time for a makeup bonus points test'
jjjqance
qian yuan, cause she's supposedly the one who knows the phrase
Deleted User
daddy
he's the true culprit all along!
jjjqance
also all the maids are in on it
also she had the fucking suit
Zerovirus

Qian Yuan

Wu Shi

Se Yue

are the options. it... could possibly be any of these. the only way for it to be one of these three, or at least my theory here, is that one of them discovered forward-direction time travel back during the incident 1 year ago, and for them to have sent the information forward in time to now, where they could tell it to ji hengsheng. but the thing is, all three of these people were involved in the incident 1 year ago, right?
Zerovirus
well, it probably isn't wu shi, because, wu shi is dead, at the point where ji hengsheng learns the knowledge
so it's.. either qian yuan or se yue
nightpool
Se Yue is the most obvious option, but it's hard to pin the maido stuff on her
Deleted User
well then it's obv Wu Shi
he'll make a comeback from the dead
Zerovirus
i think it's se yue actually
because it's easy to pin the meido stuff on her
jjjqance
i thin it's qian yuan
Deleted User
or maybe he didn't die at all
Zerovirus
if she was operating, from the PAST
using future time travel bullshit
then she could have ordered her own maids
to do shit
while she was mindjacked by her past self
jjjqance
wait
Zerovirus
...except then she'd remember doing that wouldn't she??
Deleted User
G R A N D F A T H E R P A R A D O X
jjjqance
what would be the point of operating herself from the past?
oh
i guess se yue still has to save wu shi from the fire
Zerovirus
to... i don't fucking know, diegetically, but nondiegetically, it dodges around the issue of 'none of these three characters have obvious reasons for secretly wanting to create S'
'so their motivations must be unknown even to themselves'
which means, like, mindjacking by a future or past version of themselves is what i'm guessing
jjjqance
too bad i don't understand the time travel framework 😦
nightpool
okay here's my pitch for what the game is going to say. "Oh, Se Yue gave Ji Hengsheng the Secret Maido Control Codes that let her order them to do whatever she wanted"
jjjqance
yeah that makes sense
omg
wai tthey cut off a bunch of cars right
Zerovirus
so who're we goin' with here.
jjjqance
and they're at 11 cars now?
so if they loop again they'll be back at 12 cars
it's gonna be a meta loop
Deleted User
wu shi
Zerovirus
maybe? not clear if they reattached the cars afterwards.
Deleted User
he started it he ends it
Zerovirus
well, there's no hearts here so if this is a 'only one right answer' i guess i'll go through them one by one
and if not i guess we'll see, uh
where the Wu Shi as S path goes
the game says 'nope'
nightpool
lmao
Zerovirus
it's not qian yuan
jjjqance
damn
nightpool
wow i wonder who i could be
Deleted User
so I was right
SU YUE IS THE TIME GOD
Zerovirus
the justifications given are, 'wu shi doesn't know the password in the first loop' and 'qian yuan is loyal to me, hates the time machine, and would never do such a thing'
Deleted User
???
what even
jjjqance
>_>
that's some garbo reasoning
Zerovirus

Se Yue: The real S... was me...

Se Yue: It was I who told Hengsheng everything...

When the train flipped over surprisingly, surely I also wanted to reverse time and save Wu Shi.

oh that makes sense now that we know, at the last minute, that se yue was stalking wu shi the whole damn time
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nightpool
"qian yuan hates the time machine" is not awful reasoning
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Zerovirus
ha ha they're both mutual stalkers
we ragged on wu shi for stalking se yue but se yue was stalking him way earlier than that!!
nightpool
she literally told us she would never wish that on a single other soul ever
Zerovirus
oh god here's some real garbo logic from the story comin' right up
Deleted User
B I G can'tfail stalker energy
Zerovirus

When the train flipped over surprisingly, surely I also wanted to reverse time and save Wu Shi.

But Qian Yuan's example told me just how dangerous such a thing was.

So, I told the activation phrase to Hengsheng, and gave her the crest.

AND THE FUCKING OUTFIT TOO I GUESS EVEN THOUGH SHE CAN'T FUCKING BRING IT BACK YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT REMEMBER? NO PHYSICAL OBJECTS CAN TIME TRAVEL? SO YOU GIVING HER THE S COSPLAY IS BASICALLY NOTHING BUT SYMBOLIC but okay whatever

The past me had confidence.

With how much she cared about Wu Shi, if she couldn't save Wu Shi, then sooner or later she'd seek my aid.

Deleted User
no but why?
Zerovirus
so what i'm hearing is, you also want to save wu shi, but you didn't want to get your own hands dirty, so you told ji hengsheng to take all the risks FOR you, and to only get you involved if she couldn't hack it herself.
that's what i'm hearing, se yue.
Deleted User
Why even?
Zerovirus
that's not a good look!!!

Se Yue: Using her as an experimental subject... that sure is the thing that a princess of the Se family would indeed do.

WOW OKAY SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT
OKAY
OKAY
jjjqance
more reason why ji rules se yue drools
the writers cannot POSSIBLY think se yue is unironically best girl
Zerovirus

There was also another reason for this:

I could not fail.

In the case that Hengsheng failed, I'd take over as the operator and reset everything.

We would alternate operating the time machine, and control of it would only alternate between the two of us.

This malevolent failsafe gave me the confidence to challenge the grandfather paradox while still having the opportunity to keep myself from failure at all possible points.

And the best part of it all was:

I'd forgotten just how many evil plans I'd suggested to Hengsheng myself.

This way, I could ensure that none of my plans could be foiled by my own softheartedness and weakness.

There was just one thing left bothering me.

Why didn't she say anything about this to Wu Shi in the world of the 13th train car??

There was only one possibility.

Deleted User
WHAT IS THIS POSSIBILITY?
Zerovirus

Se Yue: I must have disguised myself as someone that she would absolutely not recognize, before imparting my plans upon her.

Deleted User
insert ninjamaido skillz
every oujou-sama is a secret ninjamaido
Zerovirus

Se Yue: And, of course, I knew how I'd have chosen to disguise myself.

Se Yue: Fuck, I have got to stop leaving my anime convention cosplays on the train. I'm never going to be able to make my debut at Comiket with this costume now.

Deleted User
K E K
jjjqance
that last line isn't real right
Zerovirus
yeah i'm shitposting again though to be fair if se yue did want to cosplay she'd definitely have to cosplay with a full body outfit so nobody could tell that the se heiress was secretly into anime dressup anyways

Realizing the truth, my chest felt heavy, as if someone had shoved a piece of lead into it.

At the start of everything, I'd told her that Se Yue had invented the Tour of Time, and thus seeded her eventual decision to seek me when she was in need of aid.

And I'd put on a cloak only available to the Se family, put on a mask, and handed the control crest and activation phrase ot Hengsheng.

That was why Hengsheng imitated me and disguised herself as S.

So the true cause of everything, the one who killed Wu Shi countless times... was me.

fade to black. time passes.
jjjqance
hm. so was it an accident in the first place after all?
Zerovirus
possibly, i guess.
jjjqance
the drowning, i mean
Deleted User
accidents?
Zerovirus
i suppose if this is the case then... well, se yue didn't say she gave 'command phrases to order the maids around' to ji hengsheng???
Deleted User
WRONG can'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfailcan'tfail
Zerovirus
it's... why are the maids helping ji hengsheng? ji hengsheng didn't give the maids orders to help her
they just
started doing it
that's STILL a mystery up in the air
aaaaanyways i think i'm calling it for tonight
i thought this was going to be an ending but it looks like the... se yue path actually leads to MORE PLOT??
how even MORE metaphysically unfair.
thanks for comin' along everyone i'm bed
Deleted User
thanks for liveblogging mate
sweet dreams
Zerovirus
God se yue your scheme is just so unnecessarily evil
Like, WHY did you disguise yourself
You could have just fucking revealed yourself and asked hengsheng to help you and- you didn’t even KNOW that alternating users would reset the fuel tracker
At least you claimed not to be certain how it’d turn out.
Back during the 14th train car where you just stole control from ji hengsheng.
If you’d revealed yourself then ji hengsheng would have just gone to you and tried to get your help and you could have been alternating users to cheat time of its sacrifices WAY sooner
Nobody would have gone through mental-health-destroying-dozens-of-loops-on-end!
(The nondiegetic answer is of course ‘they need a mysterious bird-masked culprit to really capture the zero escape audience’ but come on)
AND ON TOP OF ALL THAT YOU STILL HAVEN’T EXPLAINED WHAT IS UP WITH THE FREAKY ASS BIRD MASK COME ON I JUST WANT ONE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, ONE, THAT A CREEPY PLAGUE DOCTOR MASK IS A WEIRD THING TO HAVE ON A TRAIN FOR NO REASON!!!
Zerovirus
They all look the same though!
Every single one of them has the same crest on their character design somewhere!
Would the maids really just go ‘lol this suspicious-as-fuck character has the crest, we might as well obey her’??
Sure, that’s how it works in wuxia, but i just can’t get myself to accept that’s how it works in this story too
jjjqance
maybe all the maids Just Know that she was ordained by se yue
each one probably thinks to themselves some somewhat arbitrary but suspiciously correct sequence of deductions and conclude that they should obey S
Zerovirus
That would be in character, both for this story’s manner of storytelling, and for fate contriving to force a time loop to work, which is APPARENTLY how time works in this story
avunvain
aw damn it i missed an entire rail of mobius
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Hydra
Man I hate missing the train